SKOAL MONSTER

[Coach Steve]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Listen to this guy quitters...he knows what he preaches, and he's lived it too. I also believe WP owes a debt of gratitude to the person we do not speak of who has left our presence. Roll. Call. Every. Damn. Day. Please....I beg someone to tell me I got this all wrong. The keyboard cowboy is ready to go.

We can say loot's name. He helped me for sure. But loot has not posted EDD. So if you're saying his advice is of no use because he has taken long breaks from roll call, then I disagree.

Of course, I also disagree with NOT posting EDD.

BTW, I love BBD and that quote, but he hasn't been EDD either. Just sayin.

We agree on 100% roll call.

We do. For e'ery damn body. BBJ on down.

That's a damn good start. Anyone else want to jump on this bandwagon? Neither Gmann nor myself are wearing clothes.

[G]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Listen to this guy quitters...he knows what he preaches, and he's lived it too. I also believe WP owes a debt of gratitude to the person we do not speak of who has left our presence. Roll. Call. Every. Damn. Day. Please....I beg someone to tell me I got this all wrong. The keyboard cowboy is ready to go.

We can say loot's name. He helped me for sure. But loot has not posted EDD. So if you're saying his advice is of no use because he has taken long breaks from roll call, then I disagree.

Of course, I also disagree with NOT posting EDD.

BTW, I love BBD and that quote, but he hasn't been EDD either. Just sayin.

We agree on 100% roll call.

We do. For e'ery damn body. BBJ on down.

[Coach Steve]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Listen to this guy quitters...he knows what he preaches, and he's lived it too. I also believe WP owes a debt of gratitude to the person we do not speak of who has left our presence. Roll. Call. Every. Damn. Day. Please....I beg someone to tell me I got this all wrong. The keyboard cowboy is ready to go.

We can say loot's name. He helped me for sure. But loot has not posted EDD. So if you're saying his advice is of no use because he has taken long breaks from roll call, then I disagree.

Of course, I also disagree with NOT posting EDD.

BTW, I love BBD and that quote, but he hasn't been EDD either. Just sayin.

We agree on 100% roll call.

[G]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Listen to this guy quitters...he knows what he preaches, and he's lived it too. I also believe WP owes a debt of gratitude to the person we do not speak of who has left our presence. Roll. Call. Every. Damn. Day. Please....I beg someone to tell me I got this all wrong. The keyboard cowboy is ready to go.

We can say loot's name. He helped me for sure. But loot has not posted EDD. So if you're saying his advice is of no use because he has taken long breaks from roll call, then I disagree.

Of course, I also disagree with NOT posting EDD.

BTW, I love BBD and that quote, but he hasn't been EDD either. Just sayin.

[Coach Steve]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

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Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Listen to this guy quitters...he knows what he preaches, and he's lived it too. I also believe WP owes a debt of gratitude to the person we do not speak of who has left our presence. Roll. Call. Every. Damn. Day. Please....I beg someone to tell me I got this all wrong. The keyboard cowboy is ready to go.

[Coach Steve]

I will not become complacent.

I will not think I ever have this beat.

I will not let myself forget the chains in which kept me constantly tied to a can.

I will not forget how bad the first few weeks sucked.

I will not forget how much healthier I feel now.

I will not forget that we are all one bad decision away from a 19 year cave.

I will not forget that I am an addict.

-bigbamadan

Bump this shit too. Everyone seems content on ignoring CWC these days.

[Coach Steve]

I started this out this morning calling your post BS. I stand by that.

You say that your post is similar to addict speak... I would say that it is addict speak.

If no one can say anything about this post because someone is 2000 days quit... then why are you all here. Be a leader and quit listening to BS.

Don't get me wrong... I understand that you are in a better place. But you are still an addict. You will never be cured.

You sound like an addict that has been quit 2k days and now thinks he has it all figured out. You are now beyond us. Can someone make a similar BS post if they are 600 days quit, or 1000 days quit? What is the landmark for making this sort of claim?

What is next? Wake up tomorrow, admit your an addict, admit you are at risk to cave, make a promise to quit and then quit. I don't care if you are 1 day, 2 days, 30 days, 100 days, 1000 days or 20000 days. That is how it works. Saying anything other than that is garbage.

I am moving on from this intro page. This is polluting the heads of people trying to get their lives back.

By all means let's have this conversation....because I know what is forced down newbies throats....roll call every damn day, accountability and involvement with the group, exchange numbers and getting to know one another. Are you telling me all of that is false, that I can decide when I'm cured? I believe we call those people Special Fucking Butterflies. To change the tune of posting roll every damn day after 2,000 days is downright irresponsible and isn't something I, nor anyone else on KTC should adhere to. If your opinion doesn't involve the basic concept of KTC, keep it the fuck to yourself.

p.s. Nice job distracting from the Battlefield thread SM....

[Derk40]

I started this out this morning calling your post BS. I stand by that.

You say that your post is similar to addict speak... I would say that it is addict speak.

If no one can say anything about this post because someone is 2000 days quit... then why are you all here. Be a leader and quit listening to BS.

Don't get me wrong... I understand that you are in a better place. But you are still an addict. You will never be cured.

You sound like an addict that has been quit 2k days and now thinks he has it all figured out. You are now beyond us. Can someone make a similar BS post if they are 600 days quit, or 1000 days quit? What is the landmark for making this sort of claim?

What is next? Wake up tomorrow, admit your an addict, admit you are at risk to cave, make a promise to quit and then quit. I don't care if you are 1 day, 2 days, 30 days, 100 days, 1000 days or 20000 days. That is how it works. Saying anything other than that is garbage.

I am moving on from this intro page. This is polluting the heads of people trying to get their lives back.

[Its_Got2Happen]

I love discussing this topic.  I love this site. I am challenged.  I am unsure of myself. One day at a time is all that I know right now. at this moment in time the thought of dip disgusts me and is very far from my mind. But I know myself way too well. 6 beers and a few weeks away from the site could definitely change that. quit on gentlemen.

[Skoal Monster]

This is a very interesting topic. I do have one question, but this may be the wrong place to ask. However, I will fire away. In every addiction program I have seen, there is always the point at which you send someone "back into the world", so to speak. I understand how important accountability is in keeping quit, but at what point is a person stable enough to "cut the cord" from the roll call? I get that it is the foundation and what keeps people quit, but at some point, after 1,000's of days, wouldn't it be fair to say your quit becomes dependent on this site? Is there a life away from roll call or is this it for the nicotine addicts that find their way here. I am just curious as to how the veterans view moving on from the days of roll call, or if staying on roll call for a lifetime is the answer. I guess there really is no right way to answer this and the opinions will vary. Alas, I am still curious about what you all think of this topic as I have been pondering it this week.

I think we all have to answer that for ourselves. I will say that long term success rates of those who post for a year is closer to 50%. This beats any program I've seen. I will also say I wasn't ready to leave at the 1,000 day mark. Some will tell you, ( including me) that 100% of daily posters stay quit.

[J2b]

This is a very interesting topic. I do have one question, but this may be the wrong place to ask. However, I will fire away. In every addiction program I have seen, there is always the point at which you send someone "back into the world", so to speak. I understand how important accountability is in keeping quit, but at what point is a person stable enough to "cut the cord" from the roll call? I get that it is the foundation and what keeps people quit, but at some point, after 1,000's of days, wouldn't it be fair to say your quit becomes dependent on this site? Is there a life away from roll call or is this it for the nicotine addicts that find their way here. I am just curious as to how the veterans view moving on from the days of roll call, or if staying on roll call for a lifetime is the answer. I guess there really is no right way to answer this and the opinions will vary. Alas, I am still curious about what you all think of this topic as I have been pondering it this week.

I come from a long line of addicts: 1) some who found their savior in the Big Book and lived it - meetings after 40 years sober, sponsoring young alky's, giving me shit for sneaking a beer or two, etc. 2) others who jumped in fresh off a bender and lived it for years, then got "cured" and walked away just to find a bottle again (repeat this cycle every so often) and 3) others who found their salvation through God, family, and therapy and have been years clean and sober with no outside accountability.

I used to think about that very question early in my quit. It is a great question, and someday I hope to be able to answer it. But thing is, every time I started to imagine that magical day 5, 8, 10 years when I could break all past bonds with my addiction (like 3 above) and just walk away I would get smacked in the face with how long of a time that is. I would think back to my father (see 2 above) and get nervous. Ultimately, for me, group 1 is what works now. Today, I needed to post roll and lend whatever hand I could to a new quitter.

When it comes to my addiction, forever scares the bejeesus out of me. I am starting to think in weeks instead of days, like when I go on vacation next week I have no doubt I could "unplug" and be clean as a whistle. I wont, because I have seen first hand the trap. I think I see what SM is saying, and maybe someday we all get there. But how many days/months/years will that take? No clue. If I aint there by the time my scale is balanced (5475 days at a minimum) I will revisit.

I do know there is no chance I would be at 1255 without daily accountability and the brotherhood this site and these low down dirty bastards (the 3 ballers especially) provided me.

[UH60Chief107]

This is a very interesting topic. I do have one question, but this may be the wrong place to ask. However, I will fire away. In every addiction program I have seen, there is always the point at which you send someone "back into the world", so to speak. I understand how important accountability is in keeping quit, but at what point is a person stable enough to "cut the cord" from the roll call? I get that it is the foundation and what keeps people quit, but at some point, after 1,000's of days, wouldn't it be fair to say your quit becomes dependent on this site? Is there a life away from roll call or is this it for the nicotine addicts that find their way here. I am just curious as to how the veterans view moving on from the days of roll call, or if staying on roll call for a lifetime is the answer. I guess there really is no right way to answer this and the opinions will vary. Alas, I am still curious about what you all think of this topic as I have been pondering it this week.

[copingwithoutcopen]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

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Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

TCope talks about payback above. You're an asset to the guy trembling while they dump the last can of poison and to the 2 year guy who thinks he's got his shit together. Personal accountability wasn't my strong suit through 25 years of usage. This place and you folks helped changed that. I will pay that back so long as I'm able... I don't have any answers about what comes next but today you know and I know, we're quit (assuming you posted).

[Skoal Monster]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.

Valid point Waste.

[wastepanel]

Accountibility.

My battles here have all been fought, my lessons learned. I will always be an addict, that truth is burned into my addled brain. But there is no more danger of me caving. I'm past that. I'm just done, and it's ok. No fanfare, no wondering , no craves, no thoughts, no nostalgia. Just relief and regret. Sometimes victorious old warriors lay down their sword and dream of other things.

I am accountable to myself

I am accountable to my wife and kids

I am accountable to all of you that came before me and so graciously beat a path that I could follow.

I am accountable to all of you that came after me because my words still echo on these boards.

At some point , the accountability changed from you lunatics, back to me and my loved ones. In that subtle shift was the door slamming shut.

Roll call was fundamental in getting me to my feet, over a thousand days and a thousand daily promises until I learned how to keep just one promise. To stay quit, and then I did.

I haven't regularly posted roll since. I had to use the quit tracker to remember what day I was on. I check in from time to time, care about the site, the quitters, the admins, and even the window licking mods ;) . I come back for an inoculation of quit , and for the entertainment, and to see if my Syndrome decoder ring came in the mail. Sometimes I pitch in, some times I take. Don't confuse my lack of posting with a lack of credibility or integrity, perhaps I'm guilty "of a lack of recent participation" .

I am glad that the site was here for you when you needed it. Also glad that you still stop by to contribute periodically. Take what you need and leave the rest. Personally I still need roll. At 540 in I still feel like an infant in this quit. Perhaps that could change someday? I am sure it is different for everyone.

Your semi-bi annual contributions are very much appreciated. It's heartwarming to know that, somewhere over the rainbow, we too will be cured one day.


'sac' :scowick:



NOLAQ's dad used to say everything after "but" is bullshit. Good Luck.

"But there is no more danger of me caving." ????

That sentence is total BS. I get that you are in a good place... you have put in some time  have been a monster of quit. You helped me find the path too quit and I appreciate that.

However, there is always a danger for an addict. No matter how small the danger. There is no cure for being an addict. No magic pill, no time period, no nothing... it just is.

Whether you post roll or not everyday... that is your call. Just don't say "there is no more danger". The danger is always there and never totally fades.

Glad you are back posting more, you are great with words and support. And -- I have to agree with Derk and hope that those words are not a slip of the tongue revealing an achilles heel of complacency. I sort of get what you must have intended, but complacency is tricky so I question whether the words reveal a weakness. Have to say it in case you can't see it. It's called trying to have your back.

I'm far from complacent about my quit, believe me. I'm not suggesting I'm cured either. Nor am I suggesting that I roll call is not important. But the reality is that people don't stay here and post for 2,000 -3,000 days. why not? clearly they are not cured. Do they all cave? or is it something else.

My two cents on this. I am 840 days quit. I think I understand skoals point that he is still accountable and protects his quit. I don't think he was telling us what to do, he was explaining why he posts and why he doesn't. However, I can't fully understand what he means until I am at 2,002 days quit. So to the newbies on the site and anyone under 2,002 days quit, keep posting daily. When you reach 2002 days quit come back and read this post. Maybe it will make more sense. Until then, SM has been a great teacher in my quit. He knows the science behind our experiences. He is still quit and I have faith it will stay that way.

You know, mthomas...you are wise beyond your years. I've had a busy morning and have been thinking about this and came to the same conclusion.

Maybe, someday, I'll feel I have my addiction under control and won't need to post roll. But that's not important now. I need roll now, and I know that. I know that because I once had 3 years under my belt and still failed. I failed because I didn't keep my tools sharpened and ready.

I stopped posting roll the first time I was here around 150 days. It was a tumultuous time. My mom was dying from cancer. My wife and I were struggling with each other. Professionally, I had taken quite a hit to the ego and I was mulling over my next job. I got through these without failing (and roll), and I figured I had this. Time to concentrate on other things...

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

Roll is the same. It's you turning the key and verifying your quit will run when you need it.

I've failed before. Never again.

Personally, I don't like the fact that this discussion is necessary. Only because new guys read it and they don't need to be thinking about any day other than right this minute. But I guess it is necessary. It's obvious that some folks stop posting daily at some point, and people question. I questioned big time. The first time I questioned was when loot announced another sabbatical from the site and I was probably at day 200 to one year. He assured me his nic quit was safe and he was fine. I knew he'd also just recently quit the booze, so I implored him to text me his roll daily and he agreed. Worked out well and that's where our friendship developed. My attitude has always been that I disagree with the decision to not post daily (or at least text it in) and do all I can to get them to reconsider. If they won't agree to be here daily, I try to get them to text me their roll call. If they don't want to do that, I figure I have done everything I can do. Can't quit for them. Can't hold them accountable when they say they don't need it or want it.

I don't think I have ever missed roll call. If I have, it was only one or two days and I thought I had posted and didn't realize until the next day that I never actually hit roll call.

Yes, the guys who have made a habit of not roll calling daily, or taken breaks, sabbaticals, whatever, have no right to come back and preach EDD to a new guy. But I don't think it makes loot or skoal monster or gaytor a hypocrite necessarily, because they needed EDD when they were a new guy and they are now passing on what they know works. I know others disagree with the hypocrite part, and that's fine. Whether it is okay to ever stop posting daily, at what point, etc., is probably better for thread other than an intro. As I said above, my preference is to not mention it at all because new guys will find it. But if there is interest, maybe someone has a good suggestion of a place to continue the discussion. I'm not saying it can't continue here, I'm just sayin...

I thought intros were the exact place to record your quit progression and thoughts.

Some think they have found peace with their quit and don't think they need this place everyday anymore. Hopefully they are right. Yet we see monthly examples of those that were wrong with a fresh Day1.

I personally need this place on a daily basis. Sm has my number. He has many. I trust he will use them if needed.

True, Razd. Can't really hide it in the end anyway.

I don't know my future, but, right now I'm QLF EDD and NAFAR and hitting roll call EDD.

Did I miss any acronyms?

Just your membership to NAMBLA.

http://blog.ung.edu/hist3220/files/2012 ... -800wi.jpg SFW

Very interesting discussion you started here SM! Have been missing your intellect lately.

Further proof of my theory that you can only run the jackhammer for so long.

sM has helped me more than he will ever know. Whether he's here every day or checks in from time to time, that will NEVER change.

Quits evolve, people evolve.

This shouldn't scare the new guys, it should inspire them.

Every fall I put my law mower away after a season of use. It logs 3-4 hours a week summer through fall. We bought it 10 years ago and I've only had one instance that I had to send it in for repair work. It starts every time...well, except for those first few times each spring. I'm bad about starting it in the winter to assure smooth starting in the spring. I end up having to jump it, clean out the filters, change the oil, and wash off that junk I was too lazy to wash up before packing it away. In other words, my first On my way! is expletive laced and stressful. It takes me 3 times as long to get it done than normal, and my wife just sits inside shaking her head.

You never know when you're going to need your tools. I've luckily escaped so far. If I can't get it started, the shop has about a 4-5 week backlog. That means is have to beg and borrow or pay somebody $40 to mow the lawn twice a week. It won't be fun (especially of I have to wait to find out I need a new mower). I shouldn't take this chance when regular starting over the winter will alert me of issues beforehand and get it into the shop before I really need it.

I really like this NolaQ, Is it possible to take home the tools and learn to fix the lawnmower in the garage? or you think I'll connect the spark hammer to the doohickey?

I connected my doohickey to a spark hammer one time. It'll make yer kids be born nekkid.

I'm a little slow on the uptake... What I see here is a who's who of members who've actually, collectively posted about 20,000 consecutive days quit in a circle jerk about whether a fucking addict to a poisonous, deadly substance should promise to quit every day or just until he doesn't feel like it anymore.


JEEzousfuckingchrist, please make it stop.

BBJ over 7000 and he's still fucking here edd
Ready well over 3000 and he's still fucking here.
There's a shit ton of folks here well over 2000.

sM 1 post in May and you're all suckin him off like he's some sort of guru. What in the fuck is going on here?

'bj' Im just saying that I can't and won't throw stones until I reach 2,000+ days quit. Some quitters are in elementary school with their quits and go to recess and couldn't imagine school without recess. Then they go to Jr High and recess doesn't matter. High School and they stay late and practice a sport, on the debate team or in a play.

The point is, a kid in recess and a kid in highschool is not the same and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now there is some evidence that if one person can abstain nicotine for five years. They will not behave like an addict. Is that a cure? I don't know but my quit is much different at 800 than is was under 100. I once wondered, "why fight" I'm going to cave some day. Today I don't think I will cave but the program isn't broke so why try to change or fix it. I still post because it works but I don't crave, dream or think like I did under 100 days.

My thoughts differ from SM but that's because I am on floor 8 and he is on floor 20. Our views are seeing the same view with different perspectives. Maybe he is so high up, he is in the clouds and full of shit. Maybe its clear and pretty bad ass up there. I don't know but before calling him a hypocrite, get to 2,000 days. Skoal monster is a guru and I won't back away from giving him his dues. But Its true, I wont get to 2k to call bull shit or agree if I don't quit and win today. 840 to Zero with nicotine this program works and I am only worried about today.

What he said ^^^

Gotta agree with both quitters above me here. As I approach 900 days I know I am a far different quitter than I was at 100 or 200 or 300 days. I use to worry about caving, I use to crave, I went through all the phases we all went through (fog, anger, etc). That isn't part of my quit any more. I still post every day I'm on the grid (occasionally off to fish) because: 1)KTC showed me how to quit, I owe the site a huge thanks, 2)KTC members new and old continue to support and need support, I don't want to abandon that brotherhood just yet, and finally 3)it works and it continues to work.
I remember pre-100 days when I thought the HOF was a big benchmark, a graduation of sorts. I also remember being dissapointed when I realized absolutely nothing changes at that point. SM has had a huge impact on many quitters, myself included (he and WP scared the crap out of me), so I won't cast that stone either. Would love to see something slightly different for those with a lot of quit time in...

Cope , those are some good quotes from solid quitters.

You have to build accountability your right. I am not suggesting that roll call isn't a critical tool.

But you and I are having different discussions.

I'm asking what comes next? If anything?

How do any of us know that? Tomorrow I will be making my promise if I'm able. The stakes are simply too high. The folks I text and support deserve it. I'd be remiss if I let my shit slip up after only two years. I'd also argue that your wisdom would be much better spent helping us quit then to argue why you should drift away.

They are one in the same..

Not why I should drift away Cope, But why members like me are still assets.

Tricky ground I agree. My post is very similar to addict speak, even as I wrote it I had to carefully soul search.


Roll call for me was a tool that taught me accountability.

Accountability is still what keeps me quit.

But I am accountable in a different way now.

You got me here, sm.

Accountability is defined here by having each other's backs in this battle. I love that you have my back, but not all cries of help are blatant or literal. Some are simple ho-hums about philosophy here. Some are drifts. Some are flameouts.

The point is...if you are not here when I need you (and may, in fact, may not want you), how are you holding me accountable? I want to be quit and I'm willing to do anything possible.

This is a very interesting conversation, and I applaud. I am of the belief that roll is key. Every day. I may not have "needed" it today, but I believe that practicing for those bad times will allow me to lean on what I've learned when times are bad.