Matt3281

[Diesel2112]

Matt3281.� Welcome.� When I pm'd you to start an intro last night,� I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up,� post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood)� that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it,� but don't think you're too interested in that.� I could tell you to read this story,� look at this guy,� go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff,� smokey mountain, coffee grinds,� tea bags,� or jakes,� but again you don't want to hear that either.� I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing.�

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is,� "Matt3281 do this,� that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar.� Their is no sure fire way to do this.� Every quit is different.� All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to.� They really do care.� As do I.� Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space.� I think your getting overwhelmed.�� I'm going to let you make the first moves.� YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care.� I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

When the anger and frustration passes I'll be here if you want my thoughts on dealing with your quit. Feel free to pm me.

I will only add that You are in the right place Matt. We all want to help you. and I to will do my best to do so. please pm me if you want/need my help as well.

Morning of day 4....woke up not wanting chew...walked out into kitchen and ate some chocolate ice cream and could actually taste the flavor and ate some more it was so so good. Walked around outside and then came inside drank some soda and was like " wow " this stuff tastes good... water even tasted better than yesterday. - all i can say is thank you to everyone for putting up with me yesterday on the hardest part of my life.. now its just them mental side i will need help on. I wanted to say sorry for acting like an asshole to everyone that was trying to help me understand that i was acting like an ass yesterday. I feel like the fog has lifted a lil and im starting to understand things more.

Excellent.

It's cool man. The first few days of quitting this stuff, you are barely yourself. I fucked an albino polar bear on day 2. Disturbing...

[Mjollnir]

Matt3281.� Welcome.� When I pm'd you to start an intro last night,� I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up,� post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood)� that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it,� but don't think you're too interested in that.� I could tell you to read this story,� look at this guy,� go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff,� smokey mountain, coffee grinds,� tea bags,� or jakes,� but again you don't want to hear that either.� I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing.�

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is,� "Matt3281 do this,� that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar.� Their is no sure fire way to do this.� Every quit is different.� All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to.� They really do care.� As do I.� Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space.� I think your getting overwhelmed.�� I'm going to let you make the first moves.� YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care.� I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

When the anger and frustration passes I'll be here if you want my thoughts on dealing with your quit. Feel free to pm me.

I will only add that You are in the right place Matt. We all want to help you. and I to will do my best to do so. please pm me if you want/need my help as well.

Morning of day 4....woke up not wanting chew...walked out into kitchen and ate some chocolate ice cream and could actually taste the flavor and ate some more it was so so good. Walked around outside and then came inside drank some soda and was like " wow " this stuff tastes good... water even tasted better than yesterday. - all i can say is thank you to everyone for putting up with me yesterday on the hardest part of my life.. now its just them mental side i will need help on. I wanted to say sorry for acting like an asshole to everyone that was trying to help me understand that i was acting like an ass yesterday. I feel like the fog has lifted a lil and im starting to understand things more.

Excellent.

[Matt3281]

Matt3281.� Welcome.� When I pm'd you to start an intro last night,� I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up,� post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood)� that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it,� but don't think you're too interested in that.� I could tell you to read this story,� look at this guy,� go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff,� smokey mountain, coffee grinds,� tea bags,� or jakes,� but again you don't want to hear that either.� I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing.�

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is,� "Matt3281 do this,� that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar.� Their is no sure fire way to do this.� Every quit is different.� All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to.� They really do care.� As do I.� Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space.� I think your getting overwhelmed.�� I'm going to let you make the first moves.� YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care.� I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

When the anger and frustration passes I'll be here if you want my thoughts on dealing with your quit. Feel free to pm me.

I will only add that You are in the right place Matt. We all want to help you. and I to will do my best to do so. please pm me if you want/need my help as well.

Morning of day 4....woke up not wanting chew...walked out into kitchen and ate some chocolate ice cream and could actually taste the flavor and ate some more it was so so good. Walked around outside and then came inside drank some soda and was like " wow " this stuff tastes good... water even tasted better than yesterday. - all i can say is thank you to everyone for putting up with me yesterday on the hardest part of my life.. now its just them mental side i will need help on. I wanted to say sorry for acting like an asshole to everyone that was trying to help me understand that i was acting like an ass yesterday. I feel like the fog has lifted a lil and im starting to understand things more.

[cdaniels]

Matt3281.  Welcome.  When I pm'd you to start an intro last night,  I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up,  post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood)  that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it,  but don't think you're too interested in that.  I could tell you to read this story,  look at this guy,  go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff,  smokey mountain, coffee grinds,  tea bags,  or jakes,  but again you don't want to hear that either.  I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing. 

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is,  "Matt3281 do this,  that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar.  Their is no sure fire way to do this.  Every quit is different.  All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to.  They really do care.  As do I.  Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space.  I think your getting overwhelmed.   I'm going to let you make the first moves.  YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care.  I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

When the anger and frustration passes I'll be here if you want my thoughts on dealing with your quit. Feel free to pm me.

I will only add that You are in the right place Matt. We all want to help you. and I to will do my best to do so. please pm me if you want/need my help as well.

[Wt57]

Matt3281.  Welcome.  When I pm'd you to start an intro last night,  I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up,  post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood)  that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it,  but don't think you're too interested in that.  I could tell you to read this story,  look at this guy,  go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff,  smokey mountain, coffee grinds,  tea bags,  or jakes,  but again you don't want to hear that either.  I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing. 

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is,  "Matt3281 do this,  that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar.  Their is no sure fire way to do this.  Every quit is different.  All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to.  They really do care.  As do I.  Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space.  I think your getting overwhelmed.  I'm going to let you make the first moves.  YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care.  I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

When the anger and frustration passes I'll be here if you want my thoughts on dealing with your quit. Feel free to pm me.

[Matt3281]

Matt3281. Welcome. When I pm'd you to start an intro last night, I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up, post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood) that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it, but don't think you're too interested in that. I could tell you to read this story, look at this guy, go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff, smokey mountain, coffee grinds, tea bags, or jakes, but again you don't want to hear that either. I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing.

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is, "Matt3281 do this, that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar. Their is no sure fire way to do this. Every quit is different. All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to. They really do care. As do I. Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space. I think your getting overwhelmed. I'm going to let you make the first moves. YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care. I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

Eveing of Day 3...... enjoying time with my fiance and ate some chocolate ice cream and going to play xbox360 in lil bit if anyone has that add me my name is firematt2981... i am not tired and want to know i can have friends on there as well. I been having cravings for sugar more than chew all day today. Cya guys in the morning.

[Diesel2112]

Matt3281. Welcome. When I pm'd you to start an intro last night, I didn't quite envision it going sideways like this.

THE ONLY thing you can do is wake up, post role here as a promise to yourself, and us (this is a brotherhood) that you will not use nicotine for the day and use any means necessary to do so.

I could tell you how I did it, but don't think you're too interested in that. I could tell you to read this story, look at this guy, go see a doctor or shrink like I did or to use hooch, bacoff, smokey mountain, coffee grinds, tea bags, or jakes, but again you don't want to hear that either. I could tell you to go to and ENT specialist but you're a grown ass man. You will do what you wish and don't want some stranger telling you what you should be doing.

I BELIEVE you what you WANT to hear is, "Matt3281 do this, that and this and you will ok and quitting will be easy".

You wont hear that either because anyone who wrote it would be a God Damn liar. Their is no sure fire way to do this. Every quit is different. All these cats are trying to do is give you something to relate and to grab on to. They really do care. As do I. Hell I'm on vacation in a hotel room tapping this out as my kids are jumping on my bed.

Personally I'm going to give you space. I think your getting overwhelmed. I'm going to let you make the first moves. YOU reach out to US with any questions or rants about how your are feeling.

You have to post role every day though (site rule) and keep that posion out of your pie hole (another site rule).

I cant speak for anyone else but do those two things and ill be here ready to help when you feel like reaching out.

Take care. I'll be here if you need/want my advice or support.

[SirDerek]

Matt -

good to see you in here. from one PA quitter to another you have joined a great brotherhood here at KTC. Yes as of right now we are complete strangers to you. You are feeling the withdrawal of the strongest drug known to man and most likely are shaking, mind racing, not knowing where you are, angry....very emotional.

How do I, and all of the others here that are offering help know? Well we have been right where you are now, and we know what it takes to help get you through these rough patches.

I also know, as I was someone who kept to himself alot, that there is a need here to reach out. Become friends with one another. Now that does not have to be everyone, but make a dozen or so. It not only helps with the accountability of staying quit, but you will find that there are alot of us who are very similar in thought, family, and interests. You will also find that there are alot of us, because of what we went through, that want to help new guys like yourself.

I see you have the background (military) and can see in your posts here that you got the passion to quit, just remember to maintain that focus and keep up the great work and post a +1 in the morning.

Yell and pm me if you need anything

SirDerek

[mich 34]

I pulled what was to me the heart of what matt wrote,his original post is longer. Just wanted to be sure people were not reading and judging onluy the abridged version.

[worktowin]

I dont care...

If you post a reply don't tell me how or what i should do , just give me idea's on how i should . Dont tell me how sumthing helped u out .... i dont even know why i wrote all of this it's not like anyone fing cares.

I care and so do most of the people reaching out to you.

Sounds like you want the advice you want to hear and that's it. You forgot to tell me what you wanted my advice to be so I'm going to make some up.

Give a shit.

If you don't there is no way you can quit this.

I care, but that doesnt really matter. The only question............ is do you care?

We are here to support you Matt, quitting is a bitch. It is very tough, and it takes a very tough individual to get through this shit. Especially the first 4-6 weeks.

You need anything let me know. You can PM or just jump in chat on most evenings.

Congrats on a great decision. Now dont get yourself all wrapped up in any BS on here. It will sabotage your quit in a hurry. Hopefully that is not what you want, an excuse to dip. I know my addict mind was looking for any excuse during the first few weeks, (and even still now).

Ill try to give a couple of general answers and then relate them back to your current mindset. If this isn't helpful, I apologize in advance.

There are three things that you might want to consider employing in you quit strategy: accountability, support, and anger.

Accountability is the daily posting roll and keeping your word. If you can't keep a promise to yourself and others, this site isn't for you.

Support ties into accountability, but goes deeper. As you develop a tie to other members on here, you will find that they will drop everything to get you through tough times. I mean everything. And once that happens a time or two, you feel like that word you have in step 1 is even more important - you can't let them down either!

Anger... This is a tough one. I am not angry by nature. But I'm furious that nicotine stole a shitload of my money, my time, and my freedom over 25 years. And I'm furious that I let it happen. It was all my choice. Ok, but so what? Here is another way anger has helped me and could help you. Your good buddy, jake Frawley, came on this site guns blazin. He was a quit machine. I and a lot if others watched him in the first few days do and say things that were inspirational and really motivating. I reached out to him and started following him on here a lot. And then... Jake caved. And I got as angry as I get. I blasted him in personal messages. I wrote hateful and hurtful things on his intro. And, it all made me feel even more committed. That betrayal really stepped up my game. When jake came back a few days later, he took more heat. But I'm really glad he is back. His struggles strengthened my resolve in the end. And while I was an asshole to him for a while, today I have complete and total respect for the man.

You've had some people reach out to you, like jake and Ryan (ig2h) that are 10x stronger leaders than I am. You'd do well to get them in your corner. When it comes to overcoming the adversity of a quit, read Ryan's intro from the beginning. He is bad ass. I think if you step back from the words and read jakes message, what he has shared with you in a personal level should give you some hope. He is a leader, always was, and always will be. Get them in your corner.

Finally, dude, go to a doctor. I mean really. Come on. That's just crazy. And use the fear and anger about your throat to fight the addiction. Thank you for your service to our county man. Good luck-

[Its_Got2Happen]

I dont care...

If you post a reply don't tell me how or what i should do , just give me idea's on how i should . Dont tell me how sumthing helped u out .... i dont even know why i wrote all of this it's not like anyone fing cares.

I care and so do most of the people reaching out to you.

Sounds like you want the advice you want to hear and that's it. You forgot to tell me what you wanted my advice to be so I'm going to make some up.

Give a shit.

If you don't there is no way you can quit this.

I care, but that doesnt really matter. The only question............ is do you care?

We are here to support you Matt, quitting is a bitch. It is very tough, and it takes a very tough individual to get through this shit. Especially the first 4-6 weeks.

You need anything let me know. You can PM or just jump in chat on most evenings.

Congrats on a great decision. Now dont get yourself all wrapped up in any BS on here. It will sabotage your quit in a hurry. Hopefully that is not what you want, an excuse to dip. I know my addict mind was looking for any excuse during the first few weeks, (and even still now).

[mich 34]

I dont care...

If you post a reply don't tell me how or what i should do , just give me idea's on how i should . Dont tell me how sumthing helped u out .... i dont even know why i wrote all of this it's not like anyone fing cares.

I care and so do most of the people reaching out to you.

Sounds like you want the advice you want to hear and that's it. You forgot to tell me what you wanted my advice to be so I'm going to make some up.

Give a shit.

If you don't there is no way you can quit this.

[jake frawley]

At the end of the day there is only ONE thing that matters! No chew today! Follow that and the rest will work itself out. You will grow in your quit and life will not seem as bad! That's the only advice I think you can hear at this moment of your early quit and it is the only advice I think helps EVERYONE, EVERYTIME!

[B-loMatt]

Matt wake the fuck up! You came here to get help quitting dip because you are afraid you have throat cancer, but you won't see a doctor to find out what it is for sure and or to get treatment if possible!?! WTF? If it is cancer and you do not get treatment, then why bother quitting dip? It is not like quitting after you have throat cancer will make your tumor go away magically... You came to KTC for what? The reason this site works is because it can help make you accountable if you let it, and because there is a wealth of knowldge to be found here, but if you do not jump in and start "drinking the kool-aide" you will find little advantage to being here... If you do not want the advice and encouragement of people who are nicotine addicts like you, but have quit using, then why post here? Looking at the last 3 sentences of your last post I am fucking dumbfounded... Obviously total strangers care enough to read and reply so the last sentence is not true. And you ask for ideas for how you should quit, but don't want to know what has worked for others??? That is some stupid fucking shit right there. You want a glass of dry water to wash your self pity down? Drop your bad attitude and open yourself up to the help that is offered here or get the fuck out of here and stop wasting peoples time.

You tell me all this and run your mouth.. im 3 days in to quitting and chewing beef jerky and trying to quit but, you like everyone else want to run your mouth and piss me off even more than i already am...why wouldn't i want to just run away with my tail inbetween my legs . how bout you stop while your ahead and talk to me with respect and understanding on where im at on quitting and stop being a total dick bout my situation.

Your 3 days into your quit I get it. I really do. You are pissed off at everything, you are likely in a fog where your brain just is not working right, life sucks, you are worried that you are going to die because you have a sore throat and are sure that it is terminal cancer, but you want to quit dip anyway even though all you want to do is pack in a fat dip. You may be miserable to be around and that may make you feel worse because you do not mean to take it out on your family but you can't help it. You may be fighting minute to minute to hang on to your quit. I get it Matt, and I would like to encourage you and give you ideas, but you are posting mixed signals. I am not being a dick about your situation. I am trying to give you a wake up call. You obviously want help since you are here, but you keep copping an attidue when that help is offered! I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not making logical sense because you are super stressed right now and in the hardest fight of your life, but if you want some ideas about making this quit easier don't tell people to stop telling you what worked for them, come across like you have the worst life/quit ever, and being rude to everyone who has taken the time to try and help you here... Start reading everything on this website. Read the welcome center. Read peoples cancer stories. Read about what to expect when quitting dip. Read words of wisdom. Read other peoples intro threads; you will see that anyone who posts stupid shit on their intro gets tough love. If live chat is helping you stay on it all day. Read up about fake-dp, seeds, candy, bubblegum, jerky chew, tea and coffee grinds as dip. Study nicotine addiction so you know your enemy. Post roll and pm your quit group for phone #s. After you post roll tomorrow morning make an appointment to see an oral surgeon and get yourself checked out.
There that is all I can think of for things that might help you. Do what you want.

[traumagnet]

I dont care what the " f " you do in your real life. I don't ' F ing care that some of you ppl want me to get medical attention.� I been chewing since i was 18yrs old that's 15 yrs of 4-6 cans a day...I quit drinking 2012 and i started eatting veggies this year now im trying to quit the hardest thing and i keep having ppl tell me what they would do to quit or how to quit.�
Everyone is different.� If you knew me then maybe it would be easier for me to quit. You wanna know my life ok here� is my life ... get ready cause it fing sucks.� When i was 18yrs old , friends asked me to try chewing tobacco so i did. At 19yrs old i ran away from home and lived on the streets as a hobo thinking i could live on my own not knowing if i could or not. Did that for a whole year and going to school. I graduated at the age of 21. Once I graduated high school, i was given the the option to go play College Basket Ball for Flordia State or Join the Military.� I choose the Military thinking bout more money. I enlisted into the US Navy for 4 yrs.� Went back to school at US Naval Accademy in Annoplis , MD . paid back my GI bill.. and got my BS degree in Criminal Justice.� and reinlisted into the US Marine Corp for another 8 yrs in the Military.� After boot i got sent oversea's to the sand box.� Where i spent 6yrs and then i got injured and was told that i could never go back cause i had 14 surgery's on my left knee and now can't ever walk perfect again. I also have bi polar and ptsd and other crazy things too. A friend told me about KTC so i joined up. Now, it seems i have ppl just giving me their life storys and how they quit.� I am now retired vet and a vol. firefighter / emt . If i got something growing in my throat and i know what the " F " it is why would i go see a stupid doctor just to find out what it is if i know what it is ?� I am on SSDI currently and i get a pention from the Military. 100% disability.� I live in PA and cant find a job cause of a stupid mistaminor on my back ground record. that goes back 10 yrs and ppl still fing care about it. I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO BUT to vent and yell and scream .... I am not a weakling and i know i can quit this crap that is nasty in taste and smell and i hate spiting into bottles or out of the car windows.� If you post a reply don't tell me how or what i should do , just give me idea's on how i should . Dont tell me how sumthing helped u out .... i dont even know why i wrote all of this it's not like anyone fing cares.

its hard to follow stupid rules when i dont have the fucking nicotine you dumb ass. how bout you lay off me til i get to where u at but, you know what im about to say is fuck you all and go back to it cause you all are no help at all.

Don't ever I mean ever send me shit like this again...If you don't give a shit about this site and its rules you can go fuck yourself. No ones story is better or worse than anyone else here. If you got this all figured out you don't need to be here.

You ran away at 19 dumb ass you are an adult at 18 if you ask me you were a year late in leaving.

but anyway you wanna do it your way you :scowick: go for it I will not waste another minute on this third thread of yours

:scowick:

You cant be as fucking dumb as you sound right here! Get over yourself. You are not the only one to have a bad life. That doesn't give you the patent on stupidity. You don't want to hear about my life so I won't tell you much. Just 2 things...
One... I didn't read in your bio where you went to medical school. So if your not a doctor I would not advice you to assume you have cancer and give up or ignore it. It could be something else and be easily treatable.
Second... you have a misdemeanor and can't get work? Here's a fact few people here know. I spent 7 years in a maximum security prison called Attica in NY. Bad ass place. But after all that I went to college and now run one of the largest dealerships in NY. Make crazy money. So I have a lot of sympathy for you, but I cannot feel bad for you. If you chose to let your past dictate your success then it is because you chose failure. Criminal background and homelessness was a choice. When do you want to make the choice to be a man and take responsibility. No one here can help you unless you have an open mind! If that's not what you want why are you here?
I will help in anyway I can, but first you need to accept you are an addict and be strong enough to fight to make your life better.

I have more support to offer but until I see an attitude change I think it would be wasted.

Actually, he isn't that stupid. I just talked to him in chat. And I talked to him instead of insulting him. Being a vet, I understand that new people are confused, messed up, frustrated and often scared. I choose not to take their shit personally, instead I recognize their position. My job is as a guide, as as vets your job is also to guide.

I actually enjoyed the chat in the chat room alot better than posting something.. glad there is nice people that understand where im coming from.

I like to encourage.... but when a new guy comes on and tells everyone he is not interested in hearing what they have to say, and then follow that up with a statement of why its worse for him... I take exception. I call it the way i see it. Can I be wrong? Sure! But many have come here and been helped by being told to get there head out of there ass. If he does not want rebuke... he should consider his words first. I have been rebuked when I have been wrong. And it has helped!

I have never pushed back on what a Mod has said but I disagree here totally. I am not the one sending people PM's dropping f bombs. You want respect here new guy earn it start by manning up and taking control of your quit. People here have offered you help and advice its just not what you wanna hear. That's the real issue here. There is no coddling here its a bunch of folks who wanna quit n keep quit we call a spade spade. If other ways have worked for you then why are u here. Your friend should have informed you more about who WE are and how WE operate. I also said in my reply when u are ready to listen pm me n I will help however I can. Since I have not gotten another pm I guess u still aren't ready