Reddit AMA - Live updating my quit as it goes

[FkSkoal]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Yeah well I've seen about 30 guys come on here with a trophy can, or a half empty can they keep for "comfort" disappear. They weren't run off either. They were full of shit when they said they were keeping the can around for "comfort". The proof is in the pudding. And if you see guys fail after doing this, wouldn't it be wise to advise against it? I mean if you read this dudes blog he says point blank that he's keeping the can so if and most likely when he caves (because most people fail their first time) that it will be better for him to only finish his can, as opposed to going to the store and buying a full can.

Do you not see the fault in that logic? I do and would be fool not to point it out. Are you familiar with the law of addiction? It takes only one PINCH to go from quit to full blown addict again. One pinch.

Say what you want about us or me and my ways. But I will says this...There is always a method to my madness. There is always a reason I sometimes use vinegar as opposed to honey. Sweet talk wouldn't have kept this guy around. Piss him off, get him to stay out of spite...thought maybe that would work. There were plenty of people "nice" to him. Did he stay for them? Nope he was going to leave regardless.

I'm not here to micromanage anyone's quit and I'm not a psychologist, but I am a quitter. I've been through a lot and have seen/read certain things that lead to failure and success. When I see the red flags of failure I will chime in every time. I won't always be snuggly wuggly about it but I will always do it because I always want to see that person quit.

Nicotine addiction is nasty. Probably the most underrated addiction on the planet. I do not wish it on my worst enemy. Anything I can do to help a person quit, I will do it. People dontike the way I do it...Too damn bad.


Quit on...

So what would you say to someone like me who is HoF bound with a 100% roll rating, but follows nearly 50 instagram accounts dedicated to dip and/or dip lifestyle?

I would say "Why?".

Because in some weird, inexplicable way it motivates my quit... arguably in the same fashion that an empty trophy can might provide for someone else.

[Diesel2112]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Yeah well I've seen about 30 guys come on here with a trophy can, or a half empty can they keep for "comfort" disappear. They weren't run off either. They were full of shit when they said they were keeping the can around for "comfort". The proof is in the pudding. And if you see guys fail after doing this, wouldn't it be wise to advise against it? I mean if you read this dudes blog he says point blank that he's keeping the can so if and most likely when he caves (because most people fail their first time) that it will be better for him to only finish his can, as opposed to going to the store and buying a full can.

Do you not see the fault in that logic? I do and would be fool not to point it out. Are you familiar with the law of addiction? It takes only one PINCH to go from quit to full blown addict again. One pinch.

Say what you want about us or me and my ways. But I will says this...There is always a method to my madness. There is always a reason I sometimes use vinegar as opposed to honey. Sweet talk wouldn't have kept this guy around. Piss him off, get him to stay out of spite...thought maybe that would work. There were plenty of people "nice" to him. Did he stay for them? Nope he was going to leave regardless.

I'm not here to micromanage anyone's quit and I'm not a psychologist, but I am a quitter. I've been through a lot and have seen/read certain things that lead to failure and success. When I see the red flags of failure I will chime in every time. I won't always be snuggly wuggly about it but I will always do it because I always want to see that person quit.

Nicotine addiction is nasty. Probably the most underrated addiction on the planet. I do not wish it on my worst enemy. Anything I can do to help a person quit, I will do it. People dontike the way I do it...Too damn bad.


Quit on...

So what would you say to someone like me who is HoF bound with a 100% roll rating, but follows nearly 50 instagram accounts dedicated to dip and/or dip lifestyle?

I would say "Why?".

I'd say good on you, but be careful man and stay quit.

Now if you stayed posting links to those pics on here...then that would cause a problem.

[Thumblewort]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Yeah well I've seen about 30 guys come on here with a trophy can, or a half empty can they keep for "comfort" disappear. They weren't run off either. They were full of shit when they said they were keeping the can around for "comfort". The proof is in the pudding. And if you see guys fail after doing this, wouldn't it be wise to advise against it? I mean if you read this dudes blog he says point blank that he's keeping the can so if and most likely when he caves (because most people fail their first time) that it will be better for him to only finish his can, as opposed to going to the store and buying a full can.

Do you not see the fault in that logic? I do and would be fool not to point it out. Are you familiar with the law of addiction? It takes only one PINCH to go from quit to full blown addict again. One pinch.

Say what you want about us or me and my ways. But I will says this...There is always a method to my madness. There is always a reason I sometimes use vinegar as opposed to honey. Sweet talk wouldn't have kept this guy around. Piss him off, get him to stay out of spite...thought maybe that would work. There were plenty of people "nice" to him. Did he stay for them? Nope he was going to leave regardless.

I'm not here to micromanage anyone's quit and I'm not a psychologist, but I am a quitter. I've been through a lot and have seen/read certain things that lead to failure and success. When I see the red flags of failure I will chime in every time. I won't always be snuggly wuggly about it but I will always do it because I always want to see that person quit.

Nicotine addiction is nasty. Probably the most underrated addiction on the planet. I do not wish it on my worst enemy. Anything I can do to help a person quit, I will do it. People dontike the way I do it...Too damn bad.


Quit on...

So what would you say to someone like me who is HoF bound with a 100% roll rating, but follows nearly 50 instagram accounts dedicated to dip and/or dip lifestyle?

I would say "Why?".

[FkSkoal]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Yeah well I've seen about 30 guys come on here with a trophy can, or a half empty can they keep for "comfort" disappear. They weren't run off either. They were full of shit when they said they were keeping the can around for "comfort". The proof is in the pudding. And if you see guys fail after doing this, wouldn't it be wise to advise against it? I mean if you read this dudes blog he says point blank that he's keeping the can so if and most likely when he caves (because most people fail their first time) that it will be better for him to only finish his can, as opposed to going to the store and buying a full can.

Do you not see the fault in that logic? I do and would be fool not to point it out. Are you familiar with the law of addiction? It takes only one PINCH to go from quit to full blown addict again. One pinch.

Say what you want about us or me and my ways. But I will says this...There is always a method to my madness. There is always a reason I sometimes use vinegar as opposed to honey. Sweet talk wouldn't have kept this guy around. Piss him off, get him to stay out of spite...thought maybe that would work. There were plenty of people "nice" to him. Did he stay for them? Nope he was going to leave regardless.

I'm not here to micromanage anyone's quit and I'm not a psychologist, but I am a quitter. I've been through a lot and have seen/read certain things that lead to failure and success. When I see the red flags of failure I will chime in every time. I won't always be snuggly wuggly about it but I will always do it because I always want to see that person quit.

Nicotine addiction is nasty. Probably the most underrated addiction on the planet. I do not wish it on my worst enemy. Anything I can do to help a person quit, I will do it. People dontike the way I do it...Too damn bad.


Quit on...

So what would you say to someone like me who is HoF bound with a 100% roll rating, but follows nearly 50 instagram accounts dedicated to dip and/or dip lifestyle?

[Diesel2112]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

You do understand that this site is so that you can quit with somebody and not just beside them, right? Did you reach out to this unnamed gentleman?

Nope. He was clearly already on his way out after the reaming he received here. At KTC. A community of support. Over a trophy tin.

Plus, I already mentioned in previous posts that I fundamentally disagree with much of the sociopolitical and, frankly, cult-like tactics employed on this site OTHER than posting roll and reading the positive intros for my own personal inspiration. There are people on here who have my number, they know who they are, and I have theirs. Aside from that, I keep my distance from the schoolgirl attitude I've observed all too often. Obviously, I'm not the first person to say it. But just felt like voicing my opinion in this thread due to the similarities of my own circumstances (following dippers on IG).

About a month into my quit, I stumbled onto some dipshit on Youtube who glorifies dipping, and like an addict, I watched a couple, one in particular where a bunch of dippers stuffed a whole can into their mouths. I haven't been back since.

If I were a sex addict, should I be watching porn?

Dude...early in my quit someone posted a link to some mudjug guy. I watched that shit and was jacked up for a month. I couldn't handle it. Could I now? Sure, but at that stage I simply didn't need to see it. You have to be mindful of waving stuff like that in people's face. The power of suggestion is real.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

Honestly-- WHO GIVES A FUCK?

The fact that you're giving this kid shit over his reddit posts is the height of retardation. This site is culty as fuck when it comes to chastising members who are misguided on what it means to be quit. It's as if you're more interested in fanning flames than actually having a conversation about nicotine addiction.

That's why all I do is this: I come here, I post roll, and I go about my nic-free day like a fucking man. How's that for some Brooklyn-based honesty for you fuckheads? 'Finger'

The dude is keeping an emergency can in his car in case he needs it. I give a fuck about that. Are you okay with that??

Per the emergency can-- IMO, if he is gonna cave, he's gonna fuckin cave. It's his life and if he wants to die, so be it. No emergency can will stop him. And let's be honest, when it comes to a cave, what is the difference between having it in your toolbox versus the 711 up the block? A cave is a cave is a cave.

And have you thought of the possibility that it is actually a successful coping mechanism for some people during the withdrawal process? My instagram newsfeed is full of clowns packing fattys (See: @Bishop_Dips), glorifying the can. I must follow over 50 people whose sole purpose is to post dip pics on their account. In some weird way which I can't explain, having my feed flooded by dippers has actually helped me in my quit.

Now, many people on here would burn me at the stake for such an ungodly act. Oh well.

That's why I keep my posts limited to roll and roll only.

Too many clowns on here jumping on the social bandwagon, as if you know this man and his struggle personally. We are just a collection of ones and zeros on a screen with a common goal, yet everyone here wants to act like they are the be-all-and-end-all of the psychology of nicotine addiction.

You wanna talk seriously about saving lives on this site? Then fucking do so in a constructive way. Not running people out of here the moment they don't conform to YOUR style of quit.

Do you think it's rude to ask questions?

I don't know. Seems like a smart thing to do, psychologically speaking, to get rid of your tobacco and to quit reading and posting on tobacco glorifying websites when one is embarking on a final quit. Maybe I'm stupid.

I guess some of us nicotine addicts are different. I guess I will cede you to your logic on this matter. I will keep my logic and I will continue to dole it to whoever the fuck I feel like other than you. Because I know for me personally that keeping emergency cans in my toolbox and in my glove compartment would not be good for my quit. Especially early in the quit. And I know after reading that nic head website, Dippit, that there is nothing productive to be had there, for me anyway. I guess for him it helps him stay quit to talk to a bunch of dippers who are talking about how much they love dip. Oh well. Hopefully if I ever spout off that I'm keeping emergency cans on hand and that I'm posting and reading on the Dippit forum, some of my KTC brothers will ask me what the hell I'm thinking. That's pretty much why I'm here, for the accountability.

Agreed, but accountability should be gained - and end - with ROLL.

I think the more accountability you can get the better. I've seen plenty of people who just post roll and do nothing else, who end up caving. It's like clockwork as a matter if fact. There's a difference between calling someone out by questioning their methods (trying to get them on the right path) and trying to drive someone ou of here. I'm more than happy to talk to hawk on the phone and try to set him up on the right path. If you want KTC to become more complacent when it comes To trophy cans and shit like that, then I guess that's your prerogative. I, on the other hand, prefer are hardcore place where shit like that isn't tolerated. And I'll take accountability in all forms not just roll, thank you very much.

[Diesel2112]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Yeah well I've seen about 30 guys come on here with a trophy can, or a half empty can they keep for "comfort" disappear. They weren't run off either. They were full of shit when they said they were keeping the can around for "comfort". The proof is in the pudding. And if you see guys fail after doing this, wouldn't it be wise to advise against it? I mean if you read this dudes blog he says point blank that he's keeping the can so if and most likely when he caves (because most people fail their first time) that it will be better for him to only finish his can, as opposed to going to the store and buying a full can.

Do you not see the fault in that logic? I do and would be fool not to point it out. Are you familiar with the law of addiction? It takes only one PINCH to go from quit to full blown addict again. One pinch.

Say what you want about us or me and my ways. But I will says this...There is always a method to my madness. There is always a reason I sometimes use vinegar as opposed to honey. Sweet talk wouldn't have kept this guy around. Piss him off, get him to stay out of spite...thought maybe that would work. There were plenty of people "nice" to him. Did he stay for them? Nope he was going to leave regardless.

I'm not here to micromanage anyone's quit and I'm not a psychologist, but I am a quitter. I've been through a lot and have seen/read certain things that lead to failure and success. When I see the red flags of failure I will chime in every time. I won't always be snuggly wuggly about it but I will always do it because I always want to see that person quit.

Nicotine addiction is nasty. Probably the most underrated addiction on the planet. I do not wish it on my worst enemy. Anything I can do to help a person quit, I will do it. People dontike the way I do it...Too damn bad.


Quit on...

[Thumblewort]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

You do understand that this site is so that you can quit with somebody and not just beside them, right? Did you reach out to this unnamed gentleman?

Nope. He was clearly already on his way out after the reaming he received here. At KTC. A community of support. Over a trophy tin.

Plus, I already mentioned in previous posts that I fundamentally disagree with much of the sociopolitical and, frankly, cult-like tactics employed on this site OTHER than posting roll and reading the positive intros for my own personal inspiration. There are people on here who have my number, they know who they are, and I have theirs. Aside from that, I keep my distance from the schoolgirl attitude I've observed all too often. Obviously, I'm not the first person to say it. But just felt like voicing my opinion in this thread due to the similarities of my own circumstances (following dippers on IG).

About a month into my quit, I stumbled onto some dipshit on Youtube who glorifies dipping, and like an addict, I watched a couple, one in particular where a bunch of dippers stuffed a whole can into their mouths. I haven't been back since.

If I were a sex addict, should I be watching porn?

[FkSkoal]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Huh, sounds like RoyalCowboy, who I grilled for a trophy can, and who just hit the HoF and thanked me in his HoF roast. But what the fuck do I know about being quit...............

Unlikely. This was just a few weeks ago. Couldn't have hit HoF by now.

[FkSkoal]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

You do understand that this site is so that you can quit with somebody and not just beside them, right? Did you reach out to this unnamed gentleman?

Nope. He was clearly already on his way out after the reaming he received here. At KTC. A community of support. Over a trophy tin.

Plus, I already mentioned in previous posts that I fundamentally disagree with much of the sociopolitical and, frankly, cult-like tactics employed on this site OTHER than posting roll and reading the positive intros for my own personal inspiration. There are people on here who have my number, they know who they are, and I have theirs. Aside from that, I keep my distance from the schoolgirl attitude I've observed all too often. Obviously, I'm not the first person to say it. But just felt like voicing my opinion in this thread due to the similarities of my own circumstances (following dippers on IG).

[wastepanel]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

You do understand that this site is so that you can quit with somebody and not just beside them, right? Did you reach out to this unnamed gentleman?

[Thumblewort]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

Huh, sounds like RoyalCowboy, who I grilled for a trophy can, and who just hit the HoF and thanked me in his HoF roast. But what the fuck do I know about being quit...............

[wastepanel]

Honestly-- WHO GIVES A FUCK?

The fact that you're giving this kid shit over his reddit posts is the height of retardation. This site is culty as fuck when it comes to chastising members who are misguided on what it means to be quit. It's as if you're more interested in fanning flames than actually having a conversation about nicotine addiction.

That's why all I do is this: I come here, I post roll, and I go about my nic-free day like a fucking man. How's that for some Brooklyn-based honesty for you fuckheads? 'Finger'

The dude is keeping an emergency can in his car in case he needs it. I give a fuck about that. Are you okay with that??

Per the emergency can-- IMO, if he is gonna cave, he's gonna fuckin cave. It's his life and if he wants to die, so be it. No emergency can will stop him. And let's be honest, when it comes to a cave, what is the difference between having it in your toolbox versus the 711 up the block? A cave is a cave is a cave.

And have you thought of the possibility that it is actually a successful coping mechanism for some people during the withdrawal process? My instagram newsfeed is full of clowns packing fattys (See: @Bishop_Dips), glorifying the can. I must follow over 50 people whose sole purpose is to post dip pics on their account. In some weird way which I can't explain, having my feed flooded by dippers has actually helped me in my quit.

Now, many people on here would burn me at the stake for such an ungodly act. Oh well.

That's why I keep my posts limited to roll and roll only.

Too many clowns on here jumping on the social bandwagon, as if you know this man and his struggle personally. We are just a collection of ones and zeros on a screen with a common goal, yet everyone here wants to act like they are the be-all-and-end-all of the psychology of nicotine addiction.

You wanna talk seriously about saving lives on this site? Then fucking do so in a constructive way. Not running people out of here the moment they don't conform to YOUR style of quit.

Do you think it's rude to ask questions?

I don't know. Seems like a smart thing to do, psychologically speaking, to get rid of your tobacco and to quit reading and posting on tobacco glorifying websites when one is embarking on a final quit. Maybe I'm stupid.

I guess some of us nicotine addicts are different. I guess I will cede you to your logic on this matter. I will keep my logic and I will continue to dole it to whoever the fuck I feel like other than you. Because I know for me personally that keeping emergency cans in my toolbox and in my glove compartment would not be good for my quit. Especially early in the quit. And I know after reading that nic head website, Dippit, that there is nothing productive to be had there, for me anyway. I guess for him it helps him stay quit to talk to a bunch of dippers who are talking about how much they love dip. Oh well. Hopefully if I ever spout off that I'm keeping emergency cans on hand and that I'm posting and reading on the Dippit forum, some of my KTC brothers will ask me what the hell I'm thinking. That's pretty much why I'm here, for the accountability.

Agreed, but accountability should be gained - and end - with ROLL.

I think its a mindset thing. I've seen badass quitters get hurt by curveballs from advertisers and users. I, myself, thrive on confrontation. Now, I don't follow those assholes on twitter or watch those horrible youtube videos where they shove an entire can in their mouth...but I reasonably attack flawed logic propagated by the tobacco industry.

In my opinion, Hawk thought he was badass in this because I was flaunting this very fragile quit in front of others that either don't want to or "can't" quit. They offer no advice. However, we're doing it here. The trophy can is very troubling. The difference between the car and the store is a few steps

Plan with cave (no trophy can)

Decide to cave
Go out door
get into truck
turn on truck
navigate to store
shut truck off
get out of truck
go inside store
ask for a can
pay for the can
go back to truck
open can
CAVE

Plan with cave (trophy can)

Decide to cave
Go out door
get into truck
open can
CAVE

Being quit is a series of decisions, and keeping as many steps to a cave between that initial thought and the act could make a difference between caving. Yeah...ultimately, he has to choose to do this but it's just simple logic: If you're quit, why hold onto the dried up stuff?

[FkSkoal]

While I'm at it, let me take it a step further.

I saw one dude come on here a few weeks back- motivated, seeking support, accountability.

Made the mistake of mentioning that he wanted to keep his final (albeit, EMPTY) tin of Skoal as a trophy of sorts, presumably to commemorate a turning point in his life.

Man, you guys sure tore him a new one for that. Doubtful he ever came back. Who knows if he went back to dipping or not.

The fact remains, I find this site useful in primarily two areas: reading intros (well, only the ones not controversial enough for the ideologues to spew their bullshit), and posting fucking roll. Other than that, I see a lot of 1) people here quick to pass judgement, 2) wannabe psychologists, and 3) those who want to micromanage modes of being quit. Quite hypocritical for a bunch of guys who - allegedly - are looking to save lives and subvert dip culture.

[FkSkoal]

Honestly-- WHO GIVES A FUCK?

The fact that you're giving this kid shit over his reddit posts is the height of retardation. This site is culty as fuck when it comes to chastising members who are misguided on what it means to be quit. It's as if you're more interested in fanning flames than actually having a conversation about nicotine addiction.

That's why all I do is this: I come here, I post roll, and I go about my nic-free day like a fucking man. How's that for some Brooklyn-based honesty for you fuckheads? 'Finger'

The dude is keeping an emergency can in his car in case he needs it. I give a fuck about that. Are you okay with that??

Per the emergency can-- IMO, if he is gonna cave, he's gonna fuckin cave. It's his life and if he wants to die, so be it. No emergency can will stop him. And let's be honest, when it comes to a cave, what is the difference between having it in your toolbox versus the 711 up the block? A cave is a cave is a cave.

And have you thought of the possibility that it is actually a successful coping mechanism for some people during the withdrawal process? My instagram newsfeed is full of clowns packing fattys (See: @Bishop_Dips), glorifying the can. I must follow over 50 people whose sole purpose is to post dip pics on their account. In some weird way which I can't explain, having my feed flooded by dippers has actually helped me in my quit.

Now, many people on here would burn me at the stake for such an ungodly act. Oh well.

That's why I keep my posts limited to roll and roll only.

Too many clowns on here jumping on the social bandwagon, as if you know this man and his struggle personally. We are just a collection of ones and zeros on a screen with a common goal, yet everyone here wants to act like they are the be-all-and-end-all of the psychology of nicotine addiction.

You wanna talk seriously about saving lives on this site? Then fucking do so in a constructive way. Not running people out of here the moment they don't conform to YOUR style of quit.

Do you think it's rude to ask questions?

I don't know. Seems like a smart thing to do, psychologically speaking, to get rid of your tobacco and to quit reading and posting on tobacco glorifying websites when one is embarking on a final quit. Maybe I'm stupid.

I guess some of us nicotine addicts are different. I guess I will cede you to your logic on this matter. I will keep my logic and I will continue to dole it to whoever the fuck I feel like other than you. Because I know for me personally that keeping emergency cans in my toolbox and in my glove compartment would not be good for my quit. Especially early in the quit. And I know after reading that nic head website, Dippit, that there is nothing productive to be had there, for me anyway. I guess for him it helps him stay quit to talk to a bunch of dippers who are talking about how much they love dip. Oh well. Hopefully if I ever spout off that I'm keeping emergency cans on hand and that I'm posting and reading on the Dippit forum, some of my KTC brothers will ask me what the hell I'm thinking. That's pretty much why I'm here, for the accountability.

Agreed, but accountability should be gained - and end - with ROLL.