My good cave

[kana]

When I quit I had been reading all I could for 2 days , I really wanted to be free!  I am a rather quiet guy that takes meds to keep me from having panic attacks around people.  I was more than a little apprehensive about opening up my secret life as a ninja dipper especially to total strangers.  Turned out that hasn't been a problem. 

In Quitting I tried to do everything that 'vets' told me. (At the time I considered everyone wit more days than me, vets)  I put myself in a padded room with no windows and locked the door with new weatherstripping.  I got very active, raged online, got numbers from most every quitter in my month and many others. I learned to use the tools to the fullest extent.

After a few weeks I moved myself from the padded cell into my real life.  I still made sure the doors and windows were shut.  That evil bitch hounded me, relentlessly but I continued to win each battle.  Finally HOF was here, time went very fast.  Sure I had lots of craving and thoughts of failure but I had solid tools that brought me through tough times. 

Here I set at 234 days.  The doors and windows are closed and I don't hear the scratching at the doors daily, but she is still hiding in the shrubbery.  Lately I've been thinking about my future with nicotine.  Sure i know better, today is all we can be sure of!  So why do I have those romantic thoughts of having a one night stand with that scanky bitch?  I'm an addict! Because I'm that addict I keep a extra key hidden just in case.  How messed up is that?  All of you new quitters need to learn; we are always addicts and our addicted minds are never safe to be left alone.  That is why I come here early every day and make you my promise to keep the that door locked and that extra key in the lock box!  I hope some day to forget where that extra key is at but until then, I'll see you in the morning!!

Bravo Brother...QLAFM

WT you have helped me so many times, and I thank you. You always seem to reach out or say something at the right moment. You've helped me more than you'll ever know.. Don't worry bro, we're all outside your house waiting for the bitch to come out of the shrubbery. Then whammo!! Might as well forget about that lockbox. I got rid of it for you. It's gone.. If you do start to look for it let me know, and I'll take you to lunch instead..
Peace my friend

[jaginvest]

When I quit I had been reading all I could for 2 days , I really wanted to be free! I am a rather quiet guy that takes meds to keep me from having panic attacks around people. I was more than a little apprehensive about opening up my secret life as a ninja dipper especially to total strangers. Turned out that hasn't been a problem.

In Quitting I tried to do everything that 'vets' told me. (At the time I considered everyone wit more days than me, vets) I put myself in a padded room with no windows and locked the door with new weatherstripping. I got very active, raged online, got numbers from most every quitter in my month and many others. I learned to use the tools to the fullest extent.

After a few weeks I moved myself from the padded cell into my real life. I still made sure the doors and windows were shut. That evil bitch hounded me, relentlessly but I continued to win each battle. Finally HOF was here, time went very fast. Sure I had lots of craving and thoughts of failure but I had solid tools that brought me through tough times.

Here I set at 234 days. The doors and windows are closed and I don't hear the scratching at the doors daily, but she is still hiding in the shrubbery. Lately I've been thinking about my future with nicotine. Sure i know better, today is all we can be sure of! So why do I have those romantic thoughts of having a one night stand with that scanky bitch? I'm an addict! Because I'm that addict I keep a extra key hidden just in case. How messed up is that? All of you new quitters need to learn; we are always addicts and our addicted minds are never safe to be left alone. That is why I come here early every day and make you my promise to keep the that door locked and that extra key in the lock box! I hope some day to forget where that extra key is at but until then, I'll see you in the morning!!

Bravo Brother...QLAFM

[Wt57]

When I quit I had been reading all I could for 2 days , I really wanted to be free! I am a rather quiet guy that takes meds to keep me from having panic attacks around people. I was more than a little apprehensive about opening up my secret life as a ninja dipper especially to total strangers. Turned out that hasn't been a problem.

In Quitting I tried to do everything that 'vets' told me. (At the time I considered everyone wit more days than me, vets) I put myself in a padded room with no windows and locked the door with new weatherstripping. I got very active, raged online, got numbers from most every quitter in my month and many others. I learned to use the tools to the fullest extent.

After a few weeks I moved myself from the padded cell into my real life. I still made sure the doors and windows were shut. That evil bitch hounded me, relentlessly but I continued to win each battle. Finally HOF was here, time went very fast. Sure I had lots of craving and thoughts of failure but I had solid tools that brought me through tough times.

Here I set at 234 days. The doors and windows are closed and I don't hear the scratching at the doors daily, but she is still hiding in the shrubbery. Lately I've been thinking about my future with nicotine. Sure i know better, today is all we can be sure of! So why do I have those romantic thoughts of having a one night stand with that scanky bitch? I'm an addict! Because I'm that addict I keep a extra key hidden just in case. How messed up is that? All of you new quitters need to learn; we are always addicts and our addicted minds are never safe to be left alone. That is why I come here early every day and make you my promise to keep the that door locked and that extra key in the lock box! I hope some day to forget where that extra key is at but until then, I'll see you in the morning!!

[kana]

Wow!  100 days ago I was flying high on a quit adrenalin rush, in the words of Mthomas "Like Christmas Eve".  Well this 100 days has been much easier until this past week.  The excitement is missing it feels more like the day of my 50th birthday, kind of depressing.  I have trouble letting go of the past and have fears of the future!  Well I have learned a very important lesson here about life and am trying very hard to implement it in more than just my addiction, that is; Live Life One Day At A Time.  There is no good that comes from reliving the spilled milk of the past and none of us know what the future has in store for us. 
Some quitters seem to feel comfortable going on their own after certain milestones, for me not posting roll makes staying quit on my own too risky.  Taking time each day to promise my B.O.Q. Group that I will stay quit for the day is a small sacrifice for freedom. I haven't missed a day yet and I have no intentions of missing a day in the next 100 days!  The bond between quitters continues to grow stronger among those of us that remain.  Thank you to everyone who has helped me reach another marker on this road of quit!

We cannot fix the problems of yesterday, we cannot plan for the present, we can only prepare for the future. Posting roll is preparation for the future of the day. The day always looks brighter once we commit to each other for one day. Proud to be quit with you.

Everyday brings a new challenge. We have to be sure we're prepared. I Think of it as a mechanic going to work without his tools. He wouldn't get much work done for the day. Posting roll is a tool, but it's the largest and most important tool in the box.
The quit isn't a path, it's a long road. A journey. 100 days, 200 days, 300, days? A drop in the bucket compared to how long we poisoned ourselves. It's gonna take some real time. The journey will have beautiful scenery along the way. It will also have some severe weather. Look out the window each day, and thank god you're alive to enjoy the trip. Some people never make it.
Just remember that while you're walking down the road I'm right beside you, and many others are beside you as well. Our destination is a place of peace, and happiness, and we'll enjoy it together my brother...
Have a great day.. it's beautiful outside!

[eric71]

Wow! 100 days ago I was flying high on a quit adrenalin rush, in the words of Mthomas "Like Christmas Eve". Well this 100 days has been much easier until this past week. The excitement is missing it feels more like the day of my 50th birthday, kind of depressing. I have trouble letting go of the past and have fears of the future! Well I have learned a very important lesson here about life and am trying very hard to implement it in more than just my addiction, that is; Live Life One Day At A Time. There is no good that comes from reliving the spilled milk of the past and none of us know what the future has in store for us.
Some quitters seem to feel comfortable going on their own after certain milestones, for me not posting roll makes staying quit on my own too risky. Taking time each day to promise my B.O.Q. Group that I will stay quit for the day is a small sacrifice for freedom. I haven't missed a day yet and I have no intentions of missing a day in the next 100 days! The bond between quitters continues to grow stronger among those of us that remain. Thank you to everyone who has helped me reach another marker on this road of quit!

We cannot fix the problems of yesterday, we cannot plan for the present, we can only prepare for the future. Posting roll is preparation for the future of the day. The day always looks brighter once we commit to each other for one day. Proud to be quit with you.

[Wt57]

Wow! 100 days ago I was flying high on a quit adrenalin rush, in the words of Mthomas "Like Christmas Eve". Well this 100 days has been much easier until this past week. The excitement is missing it feels more like the day of my 50th birthday, kind of depressing. I have trouble letting go of the past and have fears of the future! Well I have learned a very important lesson here about life and am trying very hard to implement it in more than just my addiction, that is; Live Life One Day At A Time. There is no good that comes from reliving the spilled milk of the past and none of us know what the future has in store for us.
Some quitters seem to feel comfortable going on their own after certain milestones, for me not posting roll makes staying quit on my own too risky. Taking time each day to promise my B.O.Q. Group that I will stay quit for the day is a small sacrifice for freedom. I haven't missed a day yet and I have no intentions of missing a day in the next 100 days! The bond between quitters continues to grow stronger among those of us that remain. Thank you to everyone who has helped me reach another marker on this road of quit!

[rgross298]

In 31 years of dipping, I was never pressured or lured by commercials or ads or men standing in trenchcoats in an alley way encouraging me to "just try it". There was no "dealer" or "pusher". No goon squad jumped out of a van and made me put another one in like in the Stride Chewing Gum commercials. Only a can full of poison, and the will to put it in my mouth. I was just a dumbass that was not strong enough, AT THE TIME, to stop.

Nothing but you and God's Freewill Tobacco, eh? Where did you get this magical, free-will nicotine-free addiction-proof stuff, because I want some of this.

Take a look in Indonesia, where tobacco lobbyists have free reign, tobacco ads are rampant, taxes are nil, and 70% of the male population (according to a recent Time article, check my most recent post in my intro for the link) smokes, and something like 51% of the entire population does. Freewill over there in Indonesia? In the other 3rd-world countries where usage rates are skyrocketing where everyone is poor? It's all their choice, right, and Big Tobacco is just the amoral business?

Bullshit.

I AM nicotine free, I thought you were. If you are quit today, It's because of your choice. The one you made today. If you chose this morning, you have already found the magical shit bro. It's called free will. The way you make it sound is I said God instilled freewill in the tobacco. No, my statement is MY God, the one I believe in, gave ME free will. With tobacco or any thing else. It is up to me to make the right decision. I didn't for many years. I did today, UST didn't influence that decision. Never did. But, what does that have to do with Indionesia?

You seem to be pretty pissed that I have a different view. Not healthy bro...I gave you grace as well. Tried to make that very clear. If hating them helps you, then hate them well. I support YOU in what you need to help you stay quit. I didn't think we were trying to convert one another, thought we were just having a discussion

Jag, take your right hand, and whoosh it over your head.

I'm not pissed that we have differing opinions. I'm not trying to "convert" you. I'm merely defending my position on UST and tobacco manufacturers. You know, the opinion that you voluntarily chimed in on. It's called a debate. Speaking of debate, you didn't address ANY of my points. At all. So given that, we will agree to disagree.

However, I do challenge you to read the article from Time:
http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/17/l ... -warnings/

I'd be interested to hear how an addict of 31 years thinks after reading that. As a 21 year addict, I'm angry at big tobacco. We can shrug our shoulders and walk away, or we can take an objective look at what those companies are doing and hey, maybe do something about it. If nothing else, maybe stop acting like all businesses are amoral and pass along some better values to those in our circle of influence.

Aside from all that, I'm glad to you are quit, and I quit with you today.

[jaginvest]

In 31 years of dipping, I was never pressured or lured by commercials or ads or men standing in trenchcoats in an alley way encouraging me to "just try it". There was no "dealer" or "pusher". No goon squad jumped out of a van and made me put another one in like in the Stride Chewing Gum commercials. Only a can full of poison, and the will to put it in my mouth. I was just a dumbass that was not strong enough, AT THE TIME, to stop.

Nothing but you and God's Freewill Tobacco, eh? Where did you get this magical, free-will nicotine-free addiction-proof stuff, because I want some of this.

Take a look in Indonesia, where tobacco lobbyists have free reign, tobacco ads are rampant, taxes are nil, and 70% of the male population (according to a recent Time article, check my most recent post in my intro for the link) smokes, and something like 51% of the entire population does. Freewill over there in Indonesia? In the other 3rd-world countries where usage rates are skyrocketing where everyone is poor? It's all their choice, right, and Big Tobacco is just the amoral business?

Bullshit.

I AM nicotine free, I thought you were. If you are quit today, It's because of your choice. The one you made today. If you chose this morning, you have already found the magical shit bro. It's called free will. The way you make it sound is I said God instilled freewill in the tobacco. No, my statement is MY God, the one I believe in, gave ME free will. With tobacco or any thing else. It is up to me to make the right decision. I didn't for many years. I did today, UST didn't influence that decision. Never did. But, what does that have to do with Indionesia?

You seem to be pretty pissed that I have a different view. Not healthy bro...I gave you grace as well. Tried to make that very clear. If hating them helps you, then hate them well. I support YOU in what you need to help you stay quit. I didn't think we were trying to convert one another, thought we were just having a discussion

[rgross298]

In 31 years of dipping, I was never pressured or lured by commercials or ads or men standing in trenchcoats in an alley way encouraging me to "just try it". There was no "dealer" or "pusher". No goon squad jumped out of a van and made me put another one in like in the Stride Chewing Gum commercials. Only a can full of poison, and the will to put it in my mouth. I was just a dumbass that was not strong enough, AT THE TIME, to stop.

Nothing but you and God's Freewill Tobacco, eh? Where did you get this magical, free-will nicotine-free addiction-proof stuff, because I want some of this.

Take a look in Indonesia, where tobacco lobbyists have free reign, tobacco ads are rampant, taxes are nil, and 70% of the male population (according to a recent Time article, check my most recent post in my intro for the link) smokes, and something like 51% of the entire population does. Freewill over there in Indonesia? In the other 3rd-world countries where usage rates are skyrocketing where everyone is poor? It's all their choice, right, and Big Tobacco is just the amoral business?

Bullshit.

[jaginvest]

Fat bastards don't get to blame pigs because they ate bacon. Drunk driver's don't get to blame Budweiser after they kill some innocent kid. Murderers don't get to blame Smith and Wesson. Why are we any different?

The blame game is easy. Owning your decisions and holding yourself accountable, now there is a challenge worthy of praise.

Love the rationalization game. You think guns, bacon, and Budweiser are as addictive as nicotine, eh?

By that logic, what is the difference between the crack dealer on your corner selling your kids rocks and the tobacco companies? He's out of business unless he has addicts, and he's motivated.

Also, this isn't a blame game. Being angry at the suppliers/peddlers and acknowledging your own role in becoming addicted aren't mutually exclusive, folks.

I was a dumbass to start, I was a dumbass to continue using for 21 years despite all of the warnings, gut feelings, anxieties, and I was a loser for being hopeless for thinking I could never quit. I was also smart, strong, and a badass for throwing away the can forever.

Simultaneously, UST, big tobacco, can lick my fucking nuts for their role in introducing and sustaining a highly addictive, poisonous, miserable product into my life. Fuck them.

I own my decisions and hold myself accountable, and we are all worthy of praise for overcoming this great burden of an addiction. I'm also not a tobacco apologist. There's no honor or reward for defending an immoral industry . . . is there?

'clap' 'clap' 'clap'

Rack 'em.

I agree with this post. This is as true at getting 4 from 2 + 2.

Everyone, thank you! My understanding of my own attitude and feelings towards UST their responsibility and me and my responsibility for my addiction is in a new light! I don't think I've changed just understand it better. rgross you have put it all together. Just another testimony of how this site works to strengthen our quits!

Again, my post is only my perspective. If hating Big T gets you through, then hate them mother fuckers with everything you have. Not telling you otherwise. Just stay quit, whatever it takes.

But a bigger theology, God made tobacco. Knowing it's addictive properties. My God gave me free will and grace. I don't blame God for my addiction. I started, and I quit. I could have quit along time ago, but I exercised my free will and chose to keep on stuffing that shit in my mouth for 31 years. Not trying to push church, just saying you can take blame as far as you want. All the way to the top. Fact is, every time we packed a can or lit up, we could have said "fuck no". We didn't.

Just to be clear, I never made the statement than one thing is more addictive than another. Not the point. The point is, if you put the muzzle of the gun to someone's head and pull the trigger, that was a choice you made. Smith and Wesson made the gun, and sold it to you, but they had no part in your decision to take a life. That was all you. When you walk through the grocery store, the turkey bacon is right beside the pork. If you pick up the pig, the farmer has no liability when you have a fucking heart attack. Your choice, your bad decision. Budweiser sells beer. You bought it, you drank it and got drunk, you decided to get behind the wheel and drive. The blood is on your hands when you kill the kid.

In 31 years of dipping, I was never pressured or lured by commercials or ads or men standing in trenchcoats in an alley way encouraging me to "just try it". There was no "dealer" or "pusher". No goon squad jumped out of a van and made me put another one in like in the Stride Chewing Gum commercials. Only a can full of poison, and the will to put it in my mouth. I was just a dumbass that was not strong enough, AT THE TIME, to stop.

Now that I am quit, I know that I had a choice each and every day to dip or not. I chose to dip. The point of my post is blaming anyone or anything other than yourself for your actions, well, it's just an excuse in my opinion. If you disagree, no harm no foul. I respect your opinion, try and respect mine. I think that the more perspectives we have, the more likely we all are to stay quit.

The world will never be free of companies and people ready to make a profit at others expense. There will always be harmful shit out there to change the way you feel, think, see, live......but you can choose not to start using. Or, as we do here, we can choose NOT TO USE TODAY. Today, I choose not to put that shit in my body. Quit with all of you.......

[Wt57]

Fat bastards don't get to blame pigs because they ate bacon. Drunk driver's don't get to blame Budweiser after they kill some innocent kid. Murderers don't get to blame Smith and Wesson. Why are we any different?

The blame game is easy. Owning your decisions and holding yourself accountable, now there is a challenge worthy of praise.

Love the rationalization game. You think guns, bacon, and Budweiser are as addictive as nicotine, eh?

By that logic, what is the difference between the crack dealer on your corner selling your kids rocks and the tobacco companies? He's out of business unless he has addicts, and he's motivated.

Also, this isn't a blame game. Being angry at the suppliers/peddlers and acknowledging your own role in becoming addicted aren't mutually exclusive, folks.

I was a dumbass to start, I was a dumbass to continue using for 21 years despite all of the warnings, gut feelings, anxieties, and I was a loser for being hopeless for thinking I could never quit. I was also smart, strong, and a badass for throwing away the can forever.

Simultaneously, UST, big tobacco, can lick my fucking nuts for their role in introducing and sustaining a highly addictive, poisonous, miserable product into my life. Fuck them.

I own my decisions and hold myself accountable, and we are all worthy of praise for overcoming this great burden of an addiction. I'm also not a tobacco apologist. There's no honor or reward for defending an immoral industry . . . is there?

'clap' 'clap' 'clap'

Rack 'em.

I agree with this post. This is as true at getting 4 from 2 + 2.

Everyone, thank you! My understanding of my own attitude and feelings towards UST their responsibility and me and my responsibility for my addiction is in a new light! I don't think I've changed just understand it better. rgross you have put it all together. Just another testimony of how this site works to strengthen our quits!

[Mthomas3824]

Fat bastards don't get to blame pigs because they ate bacon. Drunk driver's don't get to blame Budweiser after they kill some innocent kid. Murderers don't get to blame Smith and Wesson. Why are we any different?

The blame game is easy. Owning your decisions and holding yourself accountable, now there is a challenge worthy of praise.

Love the rationalization game. You think guns, bacon, and Budweiser are as addictive as nicotine, eh?

By that logic, what is the difference between the crack dealer on your corner selling your kids rocks and the tobacco companies? He's out of business unless he has addicts, and he's motivated.

Also, this isn't a blame game. Being angry at the suppliers/peddlers and acknowledging your own role in becoming addicted aren't mutually exclusive, folks.

I was a dumbass to start, I was a dumbass to continue using for 21 years despite all of the warnings, gut feelings, anxieties, and I was a loser for being hopeless for thinking I could never quit. I was also smart, strong, and a badass for throwing away the can forever.

Simultaneously, UST, big tobacco, can lick my fucking nuts for their role in introducing and sustaining a highly addictive, poisonous, miserable product into my life. Fuck them.

I own my decisions and hold myself accountable, and we are all worthy of praise for overcoming this great burden of an addiction. I'm also not a tobacco apologist. There's no honor or reward for defending an immoral industry . . . is there?

'clap' 'clap' 'clap'

Rack 'em.

I agree with this post. This is as true at getting 4 from 2 + 2.

[rgross298]

Fat bastards don't get to blame pigs because they ate bacon. Drunk driver's don't get to blame Budweiser after they kill some innocent kid. Murderers don't get to blame Smith and Wesson. Why are we any different?

The blame game is easy. Owning your decisions and holding yourself accountable, now there is a challenge worthy of praise.

Love the rationalization game. You think guns, bacon, and Budweiser are as addictive as nicotine, eh?

By that logic, what is the difference between the crack dealer on your corner selling your kids rocks and the tobacco companies? He's out of business unless he has addicts, and he's motivated.

Also, this isn't a blame game. Being angry at the suppliers/peddlers and acknowledging your own role in becoming addicted aren't mutually exclusive, folks.

I was a dumbass to start, I was a dumbass to continue using for 21 years despite all of the warnings, gut feelings, anxieties, and I was a loser for being hopeless for thinking I could never quit. I was also smart, strong, and a badass for throwing away the can forever.

Simultaneously, UST, big tobacco, can lick my fucking nuts for their role in introducing and sustaining a highly addictive, poisonous, miserable product into my life. Fuck them.

I own my decisions and hold myself accountable, and we are all worthy of praise for overcoming this great burden of an addiction. I'm also not a tobacco apologist. There's no honor or reward for defending an immoral industry . . . is there?

[jaginvest]

Last night I made a post in the general discussion and later deleted it.  Luckily I deleted it before anyone commented on it so not too many of you read it.  Some of those that saw it pmed me, thank you.  I'm not 100 % sure what spured my feelings.  I think I was feeling like I was failing which is just the opposite of the truth.  I've not been able to sleep since I've been over analyzing my quit and some of my thoughts. 
I hear many of you spew hatred of big tabacco and I feel weak because I don't feel that.  I have analyzed my addiction as far back as I can remember and can only come up with 2 things that ever influenced me: I grew up in an era most of you wouldn't recognize with sitcoms where couples had seperate beds but everyone on TV smoked!  Cigarette ads were on the TV as much as ED ads are on now! I can honestly say that the only real suductive ads for me was the Marlboro Man.  My first smoke was to be cool like him.  The other influence was on the lid of my Former favorite cope "satisfaction Since 1822".  I can't blame big tabacco for my addiction. I grew up around smokers, I watched a close family member die of emphysema in her early 40's, my parent taught me the dangers of tabacco.  I was seduced by peers and pure curiosity. I'll admit I was clueless as to how addictive nicotine was. But I knew the health dangers, when I was first experimenting was the same time TV ads were band.  We heard the surgeon general reports and debate regularly.  I own my worthless decision to use tabacco!  I can't blame anyone else.  I know many of you got involved from sports and sport endorsements and I now realize that is a very relavent issue that so many of you have that I do not have!  I was just a attention seeking teen that got caught by the bitch.
The other issue I was moaning about was the fact that it seemed my quit would go
In cycles where when I have a good week or two it seems to lead me into a period I start thinking long term and I fail.  I know better, today I can quit!  I will continue to quit today.  Remember there is "no tommorrow only today".  When I can't sleep you suffer with my rambling, I'm Not sorry it's just the way it is!

great stuff, wt57-- when you a laying it down like this you ramble all you want-- I own my quit too

So WT you and I have been partners and friends in controlling our addiction to nicotine.

Bottom line, we can disagree on who to be mad at or hold accountable for our addiction. Whatever motivates and encourages us to stay quit is good. If it motivates you to take the blame for your choices and hold US Tobacco blameless, that is fine. My perspective is a little different. I do believe US Tobacco has cancer blood on their hands. In the late 1960's, tobacco's own research proved that their product was addictive and had carcinogens in it.

They buried that information. Even when they were brought to testify in front of Congress they lied under oath and it was proven that they lied. (Where was Erin Brokovich?) This weed kills and Government only fined them and force changes on how they advertised? (In exchange that no individual can bring a claim against US Tobacco?)

Did these liars and killers sink and die? Nope they got creative. Still recruiting children to get addicted to the product so that they can replace their dead or quit customers.

Was it your choice to dip? YES it was and I get that. I chose to dip too. However, not having any animosity, enmity and disgust for the deception is hard for someone like me to comprehend.

People chose to invest with Bernie Madoff. Yet he is being tried and not loved. So Bernie Madoff is despised and hated for his acts of seduction and deception. His scheme hurt many financially and no one disagrees for hating him.

US Tobacco gets a pass by addicts, former addicts, politicians etc. Seems like everyone blames the users and not the company.

If you can invest with Bernie Madoff, Drink contaminated water from a company that isn't worried about your health. They get locked up and put out of business? Why is US Tobacco held blameless by addicts, politicians etc. Why isn't there a cry of fowl like there is for Poncy schemes or chemical contamination?

I do hate them! Now making laws against the product only glamorizes it so I am not for making it illegal. However, I can and do hate the seedy, cunning craftiness of their product.

There is evil in this world. Tobacco and all who support, sympathize or accept it existence is not of the same mind I am. I am at war. I can not be merciful to a company or product that kills, destroys or enslaves my fellow man.

Tobacco can cause cancer and kill.

Tobacco enslaves the user to a shitty false sense of importance. I would even say most of us worshiped tobacco.

It not only kills, it enslaves and destroys our spirits. Since today is 9/11 some people think America and its citizens deserved that attack. I don't think the world deserves US Tobacco coming into their cities and killing their citizens for money. Yes I did compare US Tobacco to a Terrorist Organization. If you think I am wrong, study the evil business more!

To hell with US Tobacco. I own my addiction and I did choose but those butt fucks knowingly and intentionally lead me to it...even when I wasn't at a legal age to chose for myself! Do they have no accountability? Are they blameless?

I think not! They are filthy. I hate them and I am at war. Never, ever again will I surrender to the feeling or thought that I miss my can. I may have cravings but I remember that I hate them and when you go to war you win. I am Quit and I HATE TOBACCO. YOU SHOULD TOO. LOOK AT YOUR GRAND KIDS AND IMAGINE BIG TOBACCO PLAYING THE FLUTE AND LEADING THEM ON TO A LIFE OF ADDICTION. What would you think then?

Mt you know I love you not in a Gmann way but as a brother. We are not in total disagreement but in degrees of hatred and blame. I do despise so many of the gimmicks being used to seduce young kids into using tabacco ie. pouches, flavored dip, fancy packaging and new delivery systems! I hate what tabacco has done to my life, I recognize the millions of people who have been killed and enslaved by the poison. I understand your comparison to Bernie Madeoff to a Point. Even when I started using tabacco products the publicity was there about the risks and consequences of tabacco. Today the warnings are many times greater. How many times did you run your fingernail around a can of dip breaking the seal and read the various warnings? What thoughts went threw your mind as you read the warnings? I always tried to ignore the warning but I doubt a day ever went by that I didn't read that warning and either try to ignore it or cringe secretly hoping I would one who didn't get cancer! I already had tooth loss and had gum graphs! As far as my Grandkids your right I will be there and will join you in fighting the evil deceptive advertising and do everything in my power to educate them and their friends. All of that being said I still Do not blame US Tabacco for my addiction, they did have a role but I was a dumb ass for a very long time!

Which brings us back to which came first the chicken or the egg? What does it matter when we have both now?

My personal experience is that quitting tobacco was a battle. I felt I needed to own my addiction but I was so angry at what I became under the influence of Tobacco. It was all me and yes the buck stops with me.

However as I was going through owning my addiction and owning my quit, Rgross simply told me that it is good and okay to HATE that industry. Since that time, the burden of quit has been easy and I have enjoyed the fight!

Still undefeated. All I really want to do is pay it forward. Any new quitter needs to know that it is okay to Hate US Tobacco. Especially Christians that are taught to turn the other check or love your enemy. Tobacco is not human. It is a tool of the devil. You can hate evil and that is all that comes from US Tobacco. If they don't want to hate, that is fine too but it is okay to hate this beast.

Nice discussion, think I'll chime in.

The Tobacco industry knowingly sells a product that murders and enslaves people. Destroys relationships and steals your money. They clear their conscious with minimalized, half-ass attempts to warn their customers of the dangers while they laugh and count their profits on the tombstones. They are disgusting. And I was a dumbass for feeding their greed for almost forty years. But now my eyes are open. I can see that nicotine whore for what she really is. Never again. Not once. I hate tobacco with a passion and it is banned from my life...and yours.

'clap'

That fires me up! We all are quit today and are winners Take your filthy lucre soaked in your dead and addicted customers blood and tears and live with what you did to line your pockets!

US Tobacco...No more!!!! I see you for what you do. You are not blameless. I will not surrender to my addiction. My money will never become yours again. NEVER.

'Finger'

I think I get it! I get it! The pied piper had a lot more involvement in my addiction that I ever recognized. Tabacco sucks ass, I hate everything about tabacco and how my addiction stole my life. This discussion has changed my attitude dramatically. I still own my childish decision to cave to peer pressure, and foolish curiosity. I wish I could reach out to every young teen and tell them my story and how fucked up my life has been because of some poison in a can with a shinny lid! I can't reach a lot of kids but I am a scout master and work with young boys at church. They will hear from me the evils of tabacco ever chance I get as will my grandchildren!! There are a lot of evil thing in the world that suduce us and steal little bits of our lives from us if we let them. If we let them! that is the key, we are all here because we have let ourselves to be controlled (enslaved) by this poison! I have no problem hating UST, they are definitely an evil placed out there to lure uneducated, unsuspecting victims into there clutches! I have my ideas about their role in the world, but the only thing that is important is that we never give into them ever again and always take opportunities to educate others!

Amen.
:wub:

Fat bastards don't get to blame pigs because they ate bacon. Drunk driver's don't get to blame Budweiser after they kill some innocent kid. Murderers don't get to blame Smith and Wesson. Why are we any different?

The blame game is easy. Owning your decisions and holding yourself accountable, now there is a challenge worthy of praise.

Just my 2 cents, but whatever keeps YOU quit, stick with it.

[Mthomas3824]

Last night I made a post in the general discussion and later deleted it.  Luckily I deleted it before anyone commented on it so not too many of you read it.  Some of those that saw it pmed me, thank you.  I'm not 100 % sure what spured my feelings.  I think I was feeling like I was failing which is just the opposite of the truth.  I've not been able to sleep since I've been over analyzing my quit and some of my thoughts. 
I hear many of you spew hatred of big tabacco and I feel weak because I don't feel that.  I have analyzed my addiction as far back as I can remember and can only come up with 2 things that ever influenced me: I grew up in an era most of you wouldn't recognize with sitcoms where couples had seperate beds but everyone on TV smoked!  Cigarette ads were on the TV as much as ED ads are on now! I can honestly say that the only real suductive ads for me was the Marlboro Man.  My first smoke was to be cool like him.  The other influence was on the lid of my Former favorite cope "satisfaction Since 1822".  I can't blame big tabacco for my addiction. I grew up around smokers, I watched a close family member die of emphysema in her early 40's, my parent taught me the dangers of tabacco.  I was seduced by peers and pure curiosity. I'll admit I was clueless as to how addictive nicotine was. But I knew the health dangers, when I was first experimenting was the same time TV ads were band.  We heard the surgeon general reports and debate regularly.  I own my worthless decision to use tabacco!  I can't blame anyone else.  I know many of you got involved from sports and sport endorsements and I now realize that is a very relavent issue that so many of you have that I do not have!  I was just a attention seeking teen that got caught by the bitch.
The other issue I was moaning about was the fact that it seemed my quit would go
In cycles where when I have a good week or two it seems to lead me into a period I start thinking long term and I fail.  I know better, today I can quit!  I will continue to quit today.  Remember there is "no tommorrow only today".  When I can't sleep you suffer with my rambling, I'm Not sorry it's just the way it is!

great stuff, wt57-- when you a laying it down like this you ramble all you want-- I own my quit too

So WT you and I have been partners and friends in controlling our addiction to nicotine.

Bottom line, we can disagree on who to be mad at or hold accountable for our addiction. Whatever motivates and encourages us to stay quit is good. If it motivates you to take the blame for your choices and hold US Tobacco blameless, that is fine. My perspective is a little different. I do believe US Tobacco has cancer blood on their hands. In the late 1960's, tobacco's own research proved that their product was addictive and had carcinogens in it.

They buried that information. Even when they were brought to testify in front of Congress they lied under oath and it was proven that they lied. (Where was Erin Brokovich?) This weed kills and Government only fined them and force changes on how they advertised? (In exchange that no individual can bring a claim against US Tobacco?)

Did these liars and killers sink and die? Nope they got creative. Still recruiting children to get addicted to the product so that they can replace their dead or quit customers.

Was it your choice to dip? YES it was and I get that. I chose to dip too. However, not having any animosity, enmity and disgust for the deception is hard for someone like me to comprehend.

People chose to invest with Bernie Madoff. Yet he is being tried and not loved. So Bernie Madoff is despised and hated for his acts of seduction and deception. His scheme hurt many financially and no one disagrees for hating him.

US Tobacco gets a pass by addicts, former addicts, politicians etc. Seems like everyone blames the users and not the company.

If you can invest with Bernie Madoff, Drink contaminated water from a company that isn't worried about your health. They get locked up and put out of business? Why is US Tobacco held blameless by addicts, politicians etc. Why isn't there a cry of fowl like there is for Poncy schemes or chemical contamination?

I do hate them! Now making laws against the product only glamorizes it so I am not for making it illegal. However, I can and do hate the seedy, cunning craftiness of their product.

There is evil in this world. Tobacco and all who support, sympathize or accept it existence is not of the same mind I am. I am at war. I can not be merciful to a company or product that kills, destroys or enslaves my fellow man.

Tobacco can cause cancer and kill.

Tobacco enslaves the user to a shitty false sense of importance. I would even say most of us worshiped tobacco.

It not only kills, it enslaves and destroys our spirits. Since today is 9/11 some people think America and its citizens deserved that attack. I don't think the world deserves US Tobacco coming into their cities and killing their citizens for money. Yes I did compare US Tobacco to a Terrorist Organization. If you think I am wrong, study the evil business more!

To hell with US Tobacco. I own my addiction and I did choose but those butt fucks knowingly and intentionally lead me to it...even when I wasn't at a legal age to chose for myself! Do they have no accountability? Are they blameless?

I think not! They are filthy. I hate them and I am at war. Never, ever again will I surrender to the feeling or thought that I miss my can. I may have cravings but I remember that I hate them and when you go to war you win. I am Quit and I HATE TOBACCO. YOU SHOULD TOO. LOOK AT YOUR GRAND KIDS AND IMAGINE BIG TOBACCO PLAYING THE FLUTE AND LEADING THEM ON TO A LIFE OF ADDICTION. What would you think then?

Mt you know I love you not in a Gmann way but as a brother. We are not in total disagreement but in degrees of hatred and blame. I do despise so many of the gimmicks being used to seduce young kids into using tabacco ie. pouches, flavored dip, fancy packaging and new delivery systems! I hate what tabacco has done to my life, I recognize the millions of people who have been killed and enslaved by the poison. I understand your comparison to Bernie Madeoff to a Point. Even when I started using tabacco products the publicity was there about the risks and consequences of tabacco. Today the warnings are many times greater. How many times did you run your fingernail around a can of dip breaking the seal and read the various warnings? What thoughts went threw your mind as you read the warnings? I always tried to ignore the warning but I doubt a day ever went by that I didn't read that warning and either try to ignore it or cringe secretly hoping I would one who didn't get cancer! I already had tooth loss and had gum graphs! As far as my Grandkids your right I will be there and will join you in fighting the evil deceptive advertising and do everything in my power to educate them and their friends. All of that being said I still Do not blame US Tabacco for my addiction, they did have a role but I was a dumb ass for a very long time!

Which brings us back to which came first the chicken or the egg? What does it matter when we have both now?

My personal experience is that quitting tobacco was a battle. I felt I needed to own my addiction but I was so angry at what I became under the influence of Tobacco. It was all me and yes the buck stops with me.

However as I was going through owning my addiction and owning my quit, Rgross simply told me that it is good and okay to HATE that industry. Since that time, the burden of quit has been easy and I have enjoyed the fight!

Still undefeated. All I really want to do is pay it forward. Any new quitter needs to know that it is okay to Hate US Tobacco. Especially Christians that are taught to turn the other check or love your enemy. Tobacco is not human. It is a tool of the devil. You can hate evil and that is all that comes from US Tobacco. If they don't want to hate, that is fine too but it is okay to hate this beast.

Nice discussion, think I'll chime in.

The Tobacco industry knowingly sells a product that murders and enslaves people. Destroys relationships and steals your money. They clear their conscious with minimalized, half-ass attempts to warn their customers of the dangers while they laugh and count their profits on the tombstones. They are disgusting. And I was a dumbass for feeding their greed for almost forty years. But now my eyes are open. I can see that nicotine whore for what she really is. Never again. Not once. I hate tobacco with a passion and it is banned from my life...and yours.

'clap'

That fires me up! We all are quit today and are winners Take your filthy lucre soaked in your dead and addicted customers blood and tears and live with what you did to line your pockets!

US Tobacco...No more!!!! I see you for what you do. You are not blameless. I will not surrender to my addiction. My money will never become yours again. NEVER.

'Finger'

I think I get it! I get it! The pied piper had a lot more involvement in my addiction that I ever recognized. Tabacco sucks ass, I hate everything about tabacco and how my addiction stole my life. This discussion has changed my attitude dramatically. I still own my childish decision to cave to peer pressure, and foolish curiosity. I wish I could reach out to every young teen and tell them my story and how fucked up my life has been because of some poison in a can with a shinny lid! I can't reach a lot of kids but I am a scout master and work with young boys at church. They will hear from me the evils of tabacco ever chance I get as will my grandchildren!! There are a lot of evil thing in the world that suduce us and steal little bits of our lives from us if we let them. If we let them! that is the key, we are all here because we have let ourselves to be controlled (enslaved) by this poison! I have no problem hating UST, they are definitely an evil placed out there to lure uneducated, unsuspecting victims into there clutches! I have my ideas about their role in the world, but the only thing that is important is that we never give into them ever again and always take opportunities to educate others!

Amen.
:wub: