General Discussion - 2013

[copingwithoutcopen]

Kinda diggin the new layout. Nice view above the line, thanks Sugah!

It's cleaner then Vag's shorn man parts.

[copingwithoutcopen]

Kinda diggin the new layout. Nice view above the line, thanks Sugah!

[CaseyMan]

With all the great quitting going on in here. There's hardly a day without someone hitting a milestone. This is the place to be; there's a party happening every day! B)

Hi, my name is Casey, I am 18 years old and I am recently new to quitting chew. It has been 18 days now and the withdrawals feel endless. I need help and personal stories of withdrawals. I feel very anxious and scared sometimes. It makes me feel like its a new life and everything is fake. It has made me very emotional, sometimes I have a foggy memory or mind. I just want this feeling to go away. It caused some digestive problems at first but it has improved. I had loss in appetite and the funny part of all of this is, I have not had one craving/desire to take another dip. I have just been hungry but unable to eat much. I lost weight. It all just feels endless. Many have said welcome to sobriety. I still have my doubts. It just makes me feel crazy and I've had loss of interest in things. I just hope its all going to end. Someone please help? I don't really know how blogs work and I don't know how to see if someone has replied or not.

[Keddy]

With all the great quitting going on in here. There's hardly a day without someone hitting a milestone. This is the place to be; there's a party happening every day! B)

[30yraddict]

Damnit, I got distracted with a mini-rant and forgot the reason I'm posting in the general section:

what's the best way to post from a cruise ship.  And by "best", I mean cheapest....

Btw, I find it odd that posting from my Jon boat is gonna be more convenient than posting from a modern gillion-ton cruise ship.

Text from your cell?

The LLLOOOOVVVVEEE Boat!!!!

If youre at sea probably have to spring for the wifi, overpriced but easy enough

gmann and razd will most likely be in the honeymoon suite.. you could have them post for you.

[mich 34]

Damnit, I got distracted with a mini-rant and forgot the reason I'm posting in the general section:

what's the best way to post from a cruise ship.  And by "best", I mean cheapest....

Btw, I find it odd that posting from my Jon boat is gonna be more convenient than posting from a modern gillion-ton cruise ship.

Text from your cell?

The LLLOOOOVVVVEEE Boat!!!!

If youre at sea probably have to spring for the wifi, overpriced but easy enough

[Kdip]

Damnit, I got distracted with a mini-rant and forgot the reason I'm posting in the general section:

what's the best way to post from a cruise ship.  And by "best", I mean cheapest....

Btw, I find it odd that posting from my Jon boat is gonna be more convenient than posting from a modern gillion-ton cruise ship.

Text from your cell?

The LLLOOOOVVVVEEE Boat!!!!

[loot]

Damnit, I got distracted with a mini-rant and forgot the reason I'm posting in the general section:

what's the best way to post from a cruise ship. And by "best", I mean cheapest....

Btw, I find it odd that posting from my Jon boat is gonna be more convenient than posting from a modern gillion-ton cruise ship.

Text from your cell?

[zam]

Damnit, I got distracted with a mini-rant and forgot the reason I'm posting in the general section:

what's the best way to post from a cruise ship. And by "best", I mean cheapest....

Btw, I find it odd that posting from my Jon boat is gonna be more convenient than posting from a modern gillion-ton cruise ship.

[neverShouldaStarted]

Since this is general discussion.  I was attempting to peruse youtube to see if anyone had quitting blogs, and was astounded, by the amount of channels dedicated to dipping, as in glorifying it.

Most of them are teens and you just want to smack them upside the head.  The older ones my age or older especially this one guy Mudjug1 or something, saying hes ok with kids doing it and saying its 98% safer than cigarettes, because of some doctor who is conveniently funded by the US Smokeless tobacco company.

All the while this idiot admits, his gums hurt and they are receding, yeah dude, that isnt a good thing cancer or no cancer this shit should not be done.

Its like a chemist funded by shell oil saying vehicle emissions are good for the environment.

I am just astonished at the videos of teenagers reviewing dip brands, building tin towers or whatever (I was a total ninja so I never did anything like that).  I replied to one, a 17 year old girl mind you, saying stop now, you will regret this shit when you are older.  I know it will fall on deaf ears, I was that age once.  Kids are stupid.

I fought with the mudjug posse and even emailed back and forth with the Doctor who wrote that book you referenced. Its in my intro somewhere...it happened not too long ago actually.

Don't let them get to you. Sometimes you cant fix stupid.

It's a silly argument anyway, IMHO, whether dipping is "safer"or not than smoking. Assuming dipping is safer (just assuming), I see the logic to dip instead of smoke going something like this:  "I worry that injecting heroin is way too dangerous, so I'm just gonna start chasing the dragon." Ridiculous, but that's the same logic I used to stop smoking and start dipping. So i prefer to focus on the part of nic addiction that is undeniable once the curtain is pulled back. Even the crazy doctors can't dispute that nicotine addiction in any form is detrimental to your life. And by life, I don't mean the maintenance of a pulse. I mean LIVING, as in: I can spend Christmas Eve playing cards with the kids instead of hours isolated in the shitter or trying to find an open c-store at midnight. I see someone packing a big dip, and I'm immediately in awe of the fact that nicotine rules, runs and regulates EVERY part of their life, and they don't even know it...

After spending my evening terrifying the shit out of myself about mouth cancer and examining my own mouth finding a red spot on the inside of my left cheek that had me paranoid and up till 5 am (the irony of potentially finding out and getting cancer 12 days after quitting), fortunately, said spot was no longer there when I woke up this morning.

Anyway, when they sit here and say its safer, and the odds of getting mouth cancer are so tiny. Tell that to people that dipped and got it. I don't care if it were tiny, I don't want to be the one who just ignored it and kept on with my gross ass habit, and got mouth cancer knowing I never attempted to stop and its my fault.

[zam]

Since this is general discussion.  I was attempting to peruse youtube to see if anyone had quitting blogs, and was astounded, by the amount of channels dedicated to dipping, as in glorifying it.

Most of them are teens and you just want to smack them upside the head.  The older ones my age or older especially this one guy Mudjug1 or something, saying hes ok with kids doing it and saying its 98% safer than cigarettes, because of some doctor who is conveniently funded by the US Smokeless tobacco company.

All the while this idiot admits, his gums hurt and they are receding, yeah dude, that isnt a good thing cancer or no cancer this shit should not be done.

Its like a chemist funded by shell oil saying vehicle emissions are good for the environment.

I am just astonished at the videos of teenagers reviewing dip brands, building tin towers or whatever (I was a total ninja so I never did anything like that).  I replied to one, a 17 year old girl mind you, saying stop now, you will regret this shit when you are older.  I know it will fall on deaf ears, I was that age once.  Kids are stupid.

I fought with the mudjug posse and even emailed back and forth with the Doctor who wrote that book you referenced. Its in my intro somewhere...it happened not too long ago actually.

Don't let them get to you. Sometimes you cant fix stupid.

It's a silly argument anyway, IMHO, whether dipping is "safer"or not than smoking. Assuming dipping is safer (just assuming), I see the logic to dip instead of smoke going something like this: "I worry that injecting heroin is way too dangerous, so I'm just gonna start chasing the dragon." Ridiculous, but that's the same logic I used to stop smoking and start dipping. So i prefer to focus on the part of nic addiction that is undeniable once the curtain is pulled back. Even the crazy doctors can't dispute that nicotine addiction in any form is detrimental to your life. And by life, I don't mean the maintenance of a pulse. I mean LIVING, as in: I can spend Christmas Eve playing cards with the kids instead of hours isolated in the shitter or trying to find an open c-store at midnight. I see someone packing a big dip, and I'm immediately in awe of the fact that nicotine rules, runs and regulates EVERY part of their life, and they don't even know it...

[Diesel2112]

Since this is general discussion. I was attempting to peruse youtube to see if anyone had quitting blogs, and was astounded, by the amount of channels dedicated to dipping, as in glorifying it.

Most of them are teens and you just want to smack them upside the head. The older ones my age or older especially this one guy Mudjug1 or something, saying hes ok with kids doing it and saying its 98% safer than cigarettes, because of some doctor who is conveniently funded by the US Smokeless tobacco company.

All the while this idiot admits, his gums hurt and they are receding, yeah dude, that isnt a good thing cancer or no cancer this shit should not be done.

Its like a chemist funded by shell oil saying vehicle emissions are good for the environment.

I am just astonished at the videos of teenagers reviewing dip brands, building tin towers or whatever (I was a total ninja so I never did anything like that). I replied to one, a 17 year old girl mind you, saying stop now, you will regret this shit when you are older. I know it will fall on deaf ears, I was that age once. Kids are stupid.

I fought with the mudjug posse and even emailed back and forth with the Doctor who wrote that book you referenced. Its in my intro somewhere...it happened not too long ago actually.

Don't let them get to you. Sometimes you cant fix stupid.

[neverShouldaStarted]

Since this is general discussion. I was attempting to peruse youtube to see if anyone had quitting blogs, and was astounded, by the amount of channels dedicated to dipping, as in glorifying it.

Most of them are teens and you just want to smack them upside the head. The older ones my age or older especially this one guy Mudjug1 or something, saying hes ok with kids doing it and saying its 98% safer than cigarettes, because of some doctor who is conveniently funded by the US Smokeless tobacco company.

All the while this idiot admits, his gums hurt and they are receding, yeah dude, that isnt a good thing cancer or no cancer this shit should not be done.

Its like a chemist funded by shell oil saying vehicle emissions are good for the environment.

I am just astonished at the videos of teenagers reviewing dip brands, building tin towers or whatever (I was a total ninja so I never did anything like that). I replied to one, a 17 year old girl mind you, saying stop now, you will regret this shit when you are older. I know it will fall on deaf ears, I was that age once. Kids are stupid.

[G]

   hello, hopefully this post goes through. My name is Frances and i joined this group hoping to get help for my 16yr old son Latrail that has had chewing tobacco addiction for almost a year now. If anyone can help me please help my child let me know. Thank you and God bless.

You're son is too young for the site but you could....

Make him read the Tom and Jenny Kern story as well as Randys story and then watch the Sean Marsee story as told by his brother on youtube. These can all be found in bold at the top of the "Words of Wisdom" portion of the site.

You could also go to www.killthecan.org and under facts and figures click on "cancer pics" and have him stare at them for awhile. Also have him read "facts about smokeless tobacco" in that same section as well "cancer and quitter stories". Hell you could make him read the whole damn site.

Ive never met your son but if he were here id tell him that quitting now would be the smartest thing he could ever do. Id tell him I chewed for 15 years and and that during that time I wasted time, money, and became isolated as I became a slave to chew. I was a liar, a bad friend, a bad dad, a bad father, and was basically a disgusting slobs who would rather spit brown slime into a pop bottle than spend time with my family.

Finally, I would tell him I constantly feared cancer and one day when I got a sore on my lip, I freaked out, had a panic attack and landed in the hospital. Then when I got out I decided to quit but my body was so dependent on chew that I had major anxiety attacks, became depressed, and am currently on anti depression and anti anxiety meds...and I'm 220 days quit.

Chew is great, eh buddy?

Good luck Mam.

Below are the links to the stories Diesel Mentioned...

Also on youtube look up "gruen von behrens" He was 17 when he was diagnosed with oral cancer. (sorry to scare you... but hopefully it scares Latrail enough to get him to stop using.)

There are also several herbal dips that have no tobacco or nicotine in them that could help him... Hooch and Smokey Mountain are two of the many brands.

Tom and Jenny Kern, Randy, Sean Marsee

Frances I feel your pain as a parent and understand it. I have a 31 year old daughter that was involved in dangerous activities in her late teenage years. Her mother and I spent many tear filled hours trying to find ways to help her. You didn't mention does your son have any desire to quit? My daughter didn't and as an addict for 40 years I didn't want to quit. The links that others have shared are great stories that possibly can help your son realize he is dealing with a very dangerous poison. An example of how strong this addiction is: over 25 years ago I spent everyday for several months setting with a friend dieing of oral cancer from chewing. The man had a massive hole in the side of his face. We both continued dipping and I saw him die from the poison. I don't mean to cause you more fear but point out the reality of the addiction. If your son wants to quit it is very much possible but until he has a desire there is very little you can do but stay close to him, continue loving him and be there for him to talk to if he does want to quit. Another very real problem for a 16 year old young man is; peer pressure!! Ma'am if your son is willing to listen to an old fart like me I would be glad to write a letter to him personally and explain how I regret the freedom I've given up and the ways nicotine stole 40 years of my life.. Pm me if I can be of any help. Honestly I do feel and understand your pain as a parent.
WT57 -284 days free-

Frances,

All you can do is show your son the truth about dipping. You can't make him quit. He will lie to make you happy and just hide it from you. He has to quit because he wants to quit. Here's another story to share with your son:

Hello, my name is Donna....my son Chance turned 20 only ten days before he passed away on Nov 30, 2011... Six months ago. He still lived at home with me and his stepfather of 18 years and his 15 year old half brother. He had a sister age 23 and a step brother andstep sister age 22 and 20. The reason I am posting here, is Chance dipped Grizzly. I had always fussed at him for this habit. The night of Nov 28, 2011, he fell asleep with Grizzly in his mouth after taking over the counter sleeping meds....along with a Xanax a Dr had given him a prescription for. He aspirated the grizzly into his lungs during the night....toxicology showed the meds was nowhere near fatal...but was enough to make him sleep deeply enough that he didn't know the spit was running down into his lungs. When I tried to wake him that morning, I saw the dip run out of his mouth...he was already in what I later learned was Agonal breath....a death breath. He was in a coma.....by the time the ambulance got him to the hospital he flatlined....they got him back....but he got a fever of 108...and all of his organs failed...I just wanted to warn people about falling asleep with dip in your mouth....and of course sleeping medicines....even over the counter kind like my son bought at walmart....and Dr prescribed....what killed him was the initial phnemonia from aspirating the dip...and just overnight that's how quick it can happen. I tried to wake him at 6:30 am....it was too late....I just want people to know, please be careful...don't fall asleep with dip in your mouth. If I can bring that awareness to just one person...well...Otherwise I don't know how I can go on.
Thank you
Donna Hines
Below is obit
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=81284599

Thanks for the post Gmann. Dunno how this post escaped ol LOOT. Is it saved somewhere in Words of Wisdom or sumpin?

Frances...all you can do is point your boy in the right direction and let him find his own way. You push too much and he'll totally shut down on you and hide it. He will never quit until he is damned good and ready. All we can do as parents is arm them with the facts and hope they get it...before it's too late.

It's on the main site:

http://www.killthecan.org/facts/my-son- ... ed-dip.asp

[loot]

   hello, hopefully this post goes through. My name is Frances and i joined this group hoping to get help for my 16yr old son Latrail that has had chewing tobacco addiction for almost a year now. If anyone can help me please help my child let me know. Thank you and God bless.

You're son is too young for the site but you could....

Make him read the Tom and Jenny Kern story as well as Randys story and then watch the Sean Marsee story as told by his brother on youtube. These can all be found in bold at the top of the "Words of Wisdom" portion of the site.

You could also go to www.killthecan.org and under facts and figures click on "cancer pics" and have him stare at them for awhile. Also have him read "facts about smokeless tobacco" in that same section as well "cancer and quitter stories". Hell you could make him read the whole damn site.

Ive never met your son but if he were here id tell him that quitting now would be the smartest thing he could ever do. Id tell him I chewed for 15 years and and that during that time I wasted time, money, and became isolated as I became a slave to chew. I was a liar, a bad friend, a bad dad, a bad father, and was basically a disgusting slobs who would rather spit brown slime into a pop bottle than spend time with my family.

Finally, I would tell him I constantly feared cancer and one day when I got a sore on my lip, I freaked out, had a panic attack and landed in the hospital. Then when I got out I decided to quit but my body was so dependent on chew that I had major anxiety attacks, became depressed, and am currently on anti depression and anti anxiety meds...and I'm 220 days quit.

Chew is great, eh buddy?

Good luck Mam.

Below are the links to the stories Diesel Mentioned...

Also on youtube look up "gruen von behrens" He was 17 when he was diagnosed with oral cancer. (sorry to scare you... but hopefully it scares Latrail enough to get him to stop using.)

There are also several herbal dips that have no tobacco or nicotine in them that could help him... Hooch and Smokey Mountain are two of the many brands.

Tom and Jenny Kern, Randy, Sean Marsee

Frances I feel your pain as a parent and understand it. I have a 31 year old daughter that was involved in dangerous activities in her late teenage years. Her mother and I spent many tear filled hours trying to find ways to help her. You didn't mention does your son have any desire to quit? My daughter didn't and as an addict for 40 years I didn't want to quit. The links that others have shared are great stories that possibly can help your son realize he is dealing with a very dangerous poison. An example of how strong this addiction is: over 25 years ago I spent everyday for several months setting with a friend dieing of oral cancer from chewing. The man had a massive hole in the side of his face. We both continued dipping and I saw him die from the poison. I don't mean to cause you more fear but point out the reality of the addiction. If your son wants to quit it is very much possible but until he has a desire there is very little you can do but stay close to him, continue loving him and be there for him to talk to if he does want to quit. Another very real problem for a 16 year old young man is; peer pressure!! Ma'am if your son is willing to listen to an old fart like me I would be glad to write a letter to him personally and explain how I regret the freedom I've given up and the ways nicotine stole 40 years of my life.. Pm me if I can be of any help. Honestly I do feel and understand your pain as a parent.
WT57 -284 days free-

Frances,

All you can do is show your son the truth about dipping. You can't make him quit. He will lie to make you happy and just hide it from you. He has to quit because he wants to quit. Here's another story to share with your son:

Hello, my name is Donna....my son Chance turned 20 only ten days before he passed away on Nov 30, 2011... Six months ago. He still lived at home with me and his stepfather of 18 years and his 15 year old half brother. He had a sister age 23 and a step brother andstep sister age 22 and 20. The reason I am posting here, is Chance dipped Grizzly. I had always fussed at him for this habit. The night of Nov 28, 2011, he fell asleep with Grizzly in his mouth after taking over the counter sleeping meds....along with a Xanax a Dr had given him a prescription for. He aspirated the grizzly into his lungs during the night....toxicology showed the meds was nowhere near fatal...but was enough to make him sleep deeply enough that he didn't know the spit was running down into his lungs. When I tried to wake him that morning, I saw the dip run out of his mouth...he was already in what I later learned was Agonal breath....a death breath. He was in a coma.....by the time the ambulance got him to the hospital he flatlined....they got him back....but he got a fever of 108...and all of his organs failed...I just wanted to warn people about falling asleep with dip in your mouth....and of course sleeping medicines....even over the counter kind like my son bought at walmart....and Dr prescribed....what killed him was the initial phnemonia from aspirating the dip...and just overnight that's how quick it can happen. I tried to wake him at 6:30 am....it was too late....I just want people to know, please be careful...don't fall asleep with dip in your mouth. If I can bring that awareness to just one person...well...Otherwise I don't know how I can go on.
Thank you
Donna Hines
Below is obit
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=81284599

Thanks for the post Gmann. Dunno how this post escaped ol LOOT. Is it saved somewhere in Words of Wisdom or sumpin?

Frances...all you can do is point your boy in the right direction and let him find his own way. You push too much and he'll totally shut down on you and hide it. He will never quit until he is damned good and ready. All we can do as parents is arm them with the facts and hope they get it...before it's too late.