General Discussion - 2013

[Idaho Spuds]

I am traveling for work this week and staying in a hotel. So as an previous ninja chewer this reminder of previous bad habits and temptation is right up there with a long car ride or fishing.

But I am staying strong and almost halfway to the HOF.

Cheers - Idaho Spuds

[wastepanel]

I can't Evil Won, I can't.  If I start inching towards dipping I will go all the way.  I'm good with what I'm doing.  I'm strong enough to handle it and it is just better for me that way.  Hard headed, I am. 

mogul

Settle down chief.

I didn't use the fake because I couldn't find it when I first quit. None of the usual places (Walmart) near me carry it. I dipped as a ninja and tried quitting as a ninja, so I couldn't go and order it online and have it shipped to my house where a very nosey Mrs Evil would open it and then start asking questions.

It was weeks into quitting that I found a mom-n-pop shop that sold it. I bought like 6 cans. Different brands and flavors. Too sweet, too waxy, etc. I figured ok, I've made it this far without the fake stuff so I'm going to continue without it. BUT these pouches burn like crazy, taste good, and leave my mouth minty fresh for hours. I'll keep these "just in case".

Two weeks ago, near day 375, I was on a week long business trip. I went to a local store and right there on the counter was the Smokey Mountain display (didn't have any pouches left. They were over 300 days old so I pitched them). The Bitch was whispering pretty loudly that week, "boring in a hotel room for a week isn't it? One dip? 762 miles to drive? Who would know?". I bought that can and told her to STFU, stat! I went back to the hotel and shoved half a can of fake into my yapper. It's tasted pretty good, packed nicely, burned too, and made a lot of spit.

That's when I freaked out. Those 4 characteristics of dipping were still "enjoyable" but the big one was missing...nicotine. I could tell something was missing. I felt that a quality fake was so similar to the real stuff that it was going to be a "gateway" for me to find that missing piece of the puzzle...real dip.

You know those old black and white moives they showed in grammar school, with that creepy voice over guy, that showed Johnny giving in to peer pressure and taking a hit off of a marijuanna cigarette and the next weekend he's naked on PCP, impregnating chicks in a huge orgy, and then trying to crawl through the roof of a squad car while a strobe light is flashing and Inagodadavidia is cranked up?

That would be me. I am an addict. When I commit to something I take it to the extreme instantly if not sooner.

So, yeah, for me the quality looseleaf fake was bad for many reasons, but the pouches were so unlike what I used and liked that it was ok for me. Bottom line is we are individuls. What works for some will not work for others. If something works for you do it until it no longer works, and then switch to another quit tool. The more tools you have the better off you will be.

Damn, I went off on a tangent. Sorry about that. Send me a PM if I can help you in any way.

Now you know exactly why I never did fakie and never would. Rationalization is a strong suit of mine.

Two sides to the argument -

I used fake daily from 0-60 but every time I used it, I said "this is only a crutch". Use it or don't but there other quit tools and to learn here and it starts by posting your promise every damn day.

I used it up until (around) day 120. Didn't think twice about it because I was quit.

But then I realized that I quit not just because the stuff is poison. I quit because I didn't want to have that puffed out lip, stained teeth and hands, and having to spit. I closed the door on the fake stuff, and it was easy as there was no physical repercussions. I still have some cans at home, and I had some that I just tossed in my car that were all dried out. I've fallen back on it a few times (concerts with friends, ballgames with friends, out with friends) and it does bring that association back.

But it's still better than falling off the wagon for the real stuff.

If you started your quit without it, try to stay off of it. Use seeds, cherry pits, whatever to keep you occupied. Make sure that you plan and always have a good supply ready (especially if you are facing a trigger). We don't just fall into quit. We plan to be quit.

[cbird65]

I can't Evil Won, I can't.  If I start inching towards dipping I will go all the way.  I'm good with what I'm doing.  I'm strong enough to handle it and it is just better for me that way.  Hard headed, I am. 

mogul

Settle down chief.

I didn't use the fake because I couldn't find it when I first quit. None of the usual places (Walmart) near me carry it. I dipped as a ninja and tried quitting as a ninja, so I couldn't go and order it online and have it shipped to my house where a very nosey Mrs Evil would open it and then start asking questions.

It was weeks into quitting that I found a mom-n-pop shop that sold it. I bought like 6 cans. Different brands and flavors. Too sweet, too waxy, etc. I figured ok, I've made it this far without the fake stuff so I'm going to continue without it. BUT these pouches burn like crazy, taste good, and leave my mouth minty fresh for hours. I'll keep these "just in case".

Two weeks ago, near day 375, I was on a week long business trip. I went to a local store and right there on the counter was the Smokey Mountain display (didn't have any pouches left. They were over 300 days old so I pitched them). The Bitch was whispering pretty loudly that week, "boring in a hotel room for a week isn't it? One dip? 762 miles to drive? Who would know?". I bought that can and told her to STFU, stat! I went back to the hotel and shoved half a can of fake into my yapper. It's tasted pretty good, packed nicely, burned too, and made a lot of spit.

That's when I freaked out. Those 4 characteristics of dipping were still "enjoyable" but the big one was missing...nicotine. I could tell something was missing. I felt that a quality fake was so similar to the real stuff that it was going to be a "gateway" for me to find that missing piece of the puzzle...real dip.

You know those old black and white moives they showed in grammar school, with that creepy voice over guy, that showed Johnny giving in to peer pressure and taking a hit off of a marijuanna cigarette and the next weekend he's naked on PCP, impregnating chicks in a huge orgy, and then trying to crawl through the roof of a squad car while a strobe light is flashing and Inagodadavidia is cranked up?

That would be me. I am an addict. When I commit to something I take it to the extreme instantly if not sooner.

So, yeah, for me the quality looseleaf fake was bad for many reasons, but the pouches were so unlike what I used and liked that it was ok for me. Bottom line is we are individuls. What works for some will not work for others. If something works for you do it until it no longer works, and then switch to another quit tool. The more tools you have the better off you will be.

Damn, I went off on a tangent. Sorry about that. Send me a PM if I can help you in any way.

Now you know exactly why I never did fakie and never would. Rationalization is a strong suit of mine.

Two sides to the argument -

I used fake daily from 0-60 but every time I used it, I said "this is only a crutch". Use it or don't but there other quit tools and to learn here and it starts by posting your promise every damn day.

[loot]

I can't Evil Won, I can't.  If I start inching towards dipping I will go all the way.  I'm good with what I'm doing.  I'm strong enough to handle it and it is just better for me that way.  Hard headed, I am. 

mogul

Settle down chief.

I didn't use the fake because I couldn't find it when I first quit. None of the usual places (Walmart) near me carry it. I dipped as a ninja and tried quitting as a ninja, so I couldn't go and order it online and have it shipped to my house where a very nosey Mrs Evil would open it and then start asking questions.

It was weeks into quitting that I found a mom-n-pop shop that sold it. I bought like 6 cans. Different brands and flavors. Too sweet, too waxy, etc. I figured ok, I've made it this far without the fake stuff so I'm going to continue without it. BUT these pouches burn like crazy, taste good, and leave my mouth minty fresh for hours. I'll keep these "just in case".

Two weeks ago, near day 375, I was on a week long business trip. I went to a local store and right there on the counter was the Smokey Mountain display (didn't have any pouches left. They were over 300 days old so I pitched them). The Bitch was whispering pretty loudly that week, "boring in a hotel room for a week isn't it? One dip? 762 miles to drive? Who would know?". I bought that can and told her to STFU, stat! I went back to the hotel and shoved half a can of fake into my yapper. It's tasted pretty good, packed nicely, burned too, and made a lot of spit.

That's when I freaked out. Those 4 characteristics of dipping were still "enjoyable" but the big one was missing...nicotine. I could tell something was missing. I felt that a quality fake was so similar to the real stuff that it was going to be a "gateway" for me to find that missing piece of the puzzle...real dip.

You know those old black and white moives they showed in grammar school, with that creepy voice over guy, that showed Johnny giving in to peer pressure and taking a hit off of a marijuanna cigarette and the next weekend he's naked on PCP, impregnating chicks in a huge orgy, and then trying to crawl through the roof of a squad car while a strobe light is flashing and Inagodadavidia is cranked up?

That would be me. I am an addict. When I commit to something I take it to the extreme instantly if not sooner.

So, yeah, for me the quality looseleaf fake was bad for many reasons, but the pouches were so unlike what I used and liked that it was ok for me. Bottom line is we are individuls. What works for some will not work for others. If something works for you do it until it no longer works, and then switch to another quit tool. The more tools you have the better off you will be.

Damn, I went off on a tangent. Sorry about that. Send me a PM if I can help you in any way.

Now you know exactly why I never did fakie and never would. Rationalization is a strong suit of mine.

[Mogul]

Evil, I hear ya and I know you are correct. You might have went off on a tangent but I read every bit of it and understand where you are coming from. Thanks for the words.

mogul

[DerikR]

For those of you that use sunflower seeds to fill your oral fixation void, what kind of seeds do you prefer? I've been rotating between the big 3 (original, bbq, ranch), but I've been looking for something new to try.

Dill pickle!

Mmm. I completely forgot about dill pickle, I chewed them during high school baseball because I was the only guy on the team that liked them. Cheers B)

[Evil_Won]

I can't Evil Won, I can't.  If I start inching towards dipping I will go all the way.  I'm good with what I'm doing.  I'm strong enough to handle it and it is just better for me that way.  Hard headed, I am. 

mogul

Settle down chief.

I didn't use the fake because I couldn't find it when I first quit. None of the usual places (Walmart) near me carry it. I dipped as a ninja and tried quitting as a ninja, so I couldn't go and order it online and have it shipped to my house where a very nosey Mrs Evil would open it and then start asking questions.

It was weeks into quitting that I found a mom-n-pop shop that sold it. I bought like 6 cans. Different brands and flavors. Too sweet, too waxy, etc. I figured ok, I've made it this far without the fake stuff so I'm going to continue without it. BUT these pouches burn like crazy, taste good, and leave my mouth minty fresh for hours. I'll keep these "just in case".

Two weeks ago, near day 375, I was on a week long business trip. I went to a local store and right there on the counter was the Smokey Mountain display (didn't have any pouches left. They were over 300 days old so I pitched them). The Bitch was whispering pretty loudly that week, "boring in a hotel room for a week isn't it? One dip? 762 miles to drive? Who would know?". I bought that can and told her to STFU, stat! I went back to the hotel and shoved half a can of fake into my yapper. It's tasted pretty good, packed nicely, burned too, and made a lot of spit.

That's when I freaked out. Those 4 characteristics of dipping were still "enjoyable" but the big one was missing...nicotine. I could tell something was missing. I felt that a quality fake was so similar to the real stuff that it was going to be a "gateway" for me to find that missing piece of the puzzle...real dip.

You know those old black and white moives they showed in grammar school, with that creepy voice over guy, that showed Johnny giving in to peer pressure and taking a hit off of a marijuanna cigarette and the next weekend he's naked on PCP, impregnating chicks in a huge orgy, and then trying to crawl through the roof of a squad car while a strobe light is flashing and Inagodadavidia is cranked up?

That would be me. I am an addict. When I commit to something I take it to the extreme instantly if not sooner.

So, yeah, for me the quality looseleaf fake was bad for many reasons, but the pouches were so unlike what I used and liked that it was ok for me. Bottom line is we are individuls. What works for some will not work for others. If something works for you do it until it no longer works, and then switch to another quit tool. The more tools you have the better off you will be.

Damn, I went off on a tangent. Sorry about that. Send me a PM if I can help you in any way.

[Mogul]

I can't Evil Won, I can't. If I start inching towards dipping I will go all the way. I'm good with what I'm doing. I'm strong enough to handle it and it is just better for me that way. Hard headed, I am.

mogul

[Evil_Won]

Hey fellas, I have 20 cans of Jakes Mint chew. Spearmint and Wintergreen. I ordered it thinking about the oral fixes. However, I am cold turkey. Already dealt with cancer and not going to do it again.

If you would like this Jakes Chew I will be glad to mail it out. No charge. please send me a private message.

mogul

Don't go crazy and give it all away. Keep a can of fake in the car and one in the work bag just in case. I didn't use fake but had a tin of the fakes pouches in my work bag and I was thankful it was there a few times.

You may need it one day if your other quit tools become stale. It doesn't take up much space. It's just another safety net.

[Evil_Won]

For those of you that use sunflower seeds to fill your oral fixation void, what kind of seeds do you prefer? I've been rotating between the big 3 (original, bbq, ranch), but I've been looking for something new to try.

Dill pickle!

[Mogul]

Hey fellas, I have 20 cans of Jakes Mint chew. Spearmint and Wintergreen. I ordered it thinking about the oral fixes. However, I am cold turkey. Already dealt with cancer and not going to do it again.

If you would like this Jakes Chew I will be glad to mail it out. No charge. please send me a private message.

mogul

[DerikR]

For those of you that use sunflower seeds to fill your oral fixation void, what kind of seeds do you prefer? I've been rotating between the big 3 (original, bbq, ranch), but I've been looking for something new to try.

[Mogul]

I will do the intro as soon as I'm back home and not on this iPad. Thanks to everybody for the support I have received. The first pages on the website are awesome, I read them daily. We should update as much as possible as to the effects of nicotine while in use and withdrawal. Facts about our addiction lead to facts about quitting. Glad I'm done with that crap

[deeznb]

Hey my brothers and sisters,  I'm new here but proud to be a part. I'm sure with time I will learn to navigate this site and its associated forums.  I need your help and your advice please.  I know that I have quit permanently, in my mind.  That was 6 days ago when I made that decision.  At this point I have not even attempted, come close too, or thought for a second that caving was an option.  It won't happen, I won't cave, I'm done, never again will tobacco be a part of my free will.  I'm not struggling with the quit but I am in that fog.  Pretty deep actually.  And my precious moments with my porcelain partner are not going well.  Lots of gas and not much consistence.  Sorry!  Your thoughts please? 

For any of you that are thinking of quitting, I will tell you why I'm sure I won't cave...    Not this time ....... I'm done!!!!    I know because I would rather die than dip.  That's what it took to make me stop.  It's ironic because that is what I was doing, killing myself with poison.  But now I have turned it around on the nic bitch, it's either her or me. One of us has to go, and it ain't going to be me.

Mogul

Mogul, welcome to the site and the beginning of the rest of your life. I strongly suggest you read everything in the Welcome Center tab up top there, then maneuver over to the main page, find the Introductions tab and write one up so as to introduce yerself proper-like. Oh, and nice job posting roll, keep it up.

[Mogul]

Hey my brothers and sisters, I'm new here but proud to be a part. I'm sure with time I will learn to navigate this site and its associated forums. I need your help and your advice please. I know that I have quit permanently, in my mind. That was 6 days ago when I made that decision. At this point I have not even attempted, come close too, or thought for a second that caving was an option. It won't happen, I won't cave, I'm done, never again will tobacco be a part of my free will. I'm not struggling with the quit but I am in that fog. Pretty deep actually. And my precious moments with my porcelain partner are not going well. Lots of gas and not much consistence. Sorry! Your thoughts please?

For any of you that are thinking of quitting, I will tell you why I'm sure I won't cave... Not this time ....... I'm done!!!! I know because I would rather die than dip. That's what it took to make me stop. It's ironic because that is what I was doing, killing myself with poison. But now I have turned it around on the nic bitch, it's either her or me. One of us has to go, and it ain't going to be me.

Mogul