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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #502 on: November 14, 2011, 03:10:00 PM »
New blog post: Poconos 2011 - The Morning After

http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/poco ... ing-after/
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #501 on: November 11, 2011, 09:47:00 AM »
We would be HONORED to have any and all (quit) veterans of U.S. Armed Forces post above the line with us in May 2011 today (link in the signature, but you know we are post whores and always at/near the top anyway).

Thank you for your service, dedication, and sacrifices.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #500 on: November 11, 2011, 01:23:00 AM »
New Quit4Today post: Ready To Roll – Packed Heavy

http://quit4today.com/blog/2011/11/read ... ked-heavy/
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd - 2.08.07 / 3rd - 5.19.07 / 4th - 8.27.07 / 5th - 12.05.07 / 6th - 3.14.08 / 7th - 6.22.08 / 8th - 9.30.08 / 9th - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th - 7.27.09 / 12th - 11.04.09 / 13th - 2.12.10 / 14th - 05.23.10 / 15th - 08.31.2010 / 16th - 12.9.10 / 17th - 3.19.11 / 18th - 6.27.11 / 19th - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st - 4.22.12 / 22nd - 7.31.12 / 23rd - 11.8.12 / 24th - 2.16.13 / 25th - 5.27.13 / 26th - 9.4.13 / 27th - 12.12.13 / 28th - 3.24.14 / 29th - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st - 1.17.15 / 32nd - 4.27.15 / 33rd - 8.5.15 / 34th - 9.13.15 / 35th - 2.21.16 / 36th - 5.31.16 / 37th - 9.8.16 / 38th - 12.17.16 / 39th - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st - 10.13.17 / 42nd - 1.21.18 / 43rd - 5.1.18 / 44th - 8.9.18 / 45th - 11.17.18 / 46th - 2.25.19 / 47th - 6.5.19 / 48th - 9.13.19 / 49th - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st - 7.9.20 / 52nd - 10.17.20 / 53rd - 1.25.21 / 54th - 5.5.21 / 55th - 8.13.21 / 56th - 11.21.21 / 57th - 3.1.22 / 58th - 6.9.22 / 59th - 9.17.22 / 6K - 12.26.22 / 61st - 4.5.23 / 62nd - 7.14.23 / 63rd - 10.22.23 / 64th - 1.20.24 / 65th - 5.9.24 / 66th - 8.17.24 / 67th - 11.25.24

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #499 on: November 08, 2011, 09:48:00 PM »
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: iuchewie
New blog post:   Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/
I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man
I agree 30. Chewie marries both a passion to help quitters avoid death and cancer and an almost a stoic objectivity in making decisions on the use of this site as well as this particular advertisement policy as an example.

You have great judgement Chewie. I know when we all get pissed at a particular quitter, like say DO5, you seem to be the calming force with great judgment. Proud to quit with you. Thanks for the site.
Thanks for the kind words gentlemen. Very much appreciated.
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd - 2.08.07 / 3rd - 5.19.07 / 4th - 8.27.07 / 5th - 12.05.07 / 6th - 3.14.08 / 7th - 6.22.08 / 8th - 9.30.08 / 9th - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th - 7.27.09 / 12th - 11.04.09 / 13th - 2.12.10 / 14th - 05.23.10 / 15th - 08.31.2010 / 16th - 12.9.10 / 17th - 3.19.11 / 18th - 6.27.11 / 19th - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st - 4.22.12 / 22nd - 7.31.12 / 23rd - 11.8.12 / 24th - 2.16.13 / 25th - 5.27.13 / 26th - 9.4.13 / 27th - 12.12.13 / 28th - 3.24.14 / 29th - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st - 1.17.15 / 32nd - 4.27.15 / 33rd - 8.5.15 / 34th - 9.13.15 / 35th - 2.21.16 / 36th - 5.31.16 / 37th - 9.8.16 / 38th - 12.17.16 / 39th - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st - 10.13.17 / 42nd - 1.21.18 / 43rd - 5.1.18 / 44th - 8.9.18 / 45th - 11.17.18 / 46th - 2.25.19 / 47th - 6.5.19 / 48th - 9.13.19 / 49th - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st - 7.9.20 / 52nd - 10.17.20 / 53rd - 1.25.21 / 54th - 5.5.21 / 55th - 8.13.21 / 56th - 11.21.21 / 57th - 3.1.22 / 58th - 6.9.22 / 59th - 9.17.22 / 6K - 12.26.22 / 61st - 4.5.23 / 62nd - 7.14.23 / 63rd - 10.22.23 / 64th - 1.20.24 / 65th - 5.9.24 / 66th - 8.17.24 / 67th - 11.25.24

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #498 on: November 08, 2011, 02:04:00 PM »
Quote from: 30yrAddict
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New blog post:  Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/
I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man
I agree 30. Chewie marries both a passion to help quitters avoid death and cancer and an almost a stoic objectivity in making decisions on the use of this site as well as this particular advertisement policy as an example.

You have great judgement Chewie. I know when we all get pissed at a particular quitter, like say DO5, you seem to be the calming force with great judgment. Proud to quit with you. Thanks for the site.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #497 on: November 08, 2011, 01:50:00 PM »
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New blog post: Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?

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I am certain there is no way I would have handled that anywhere near as calmly and constructively as you did...mad props my man

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #496 on: November 08, 2011, 01:45:00 PM »
New blog post: Violent Content On KillTheCan.org?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/viol ... hecan-org/
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd - 2.08.07 / 3rd - 5.19.07 / 4th - 8.27.07 / 5th - 12.05.07 / 6th - 3.14.08 / 7th - 6.22.08 / 8th - 9.30.08 / 9th - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th - 7.27.09 / 12th - 11.04.09 / 13th - 2.12.10 / 14th - 05.23.10 / 15th - 08.31.2010 / 16th - 12.9.10 / 17th - 3.19.11 / 18th - 6.27.11 / 19th - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st - 4.22.12 / 22nd - 7.31.12 / 23rd - 11.8.12 / 24th - 2.16.13 / 25th - 5.27.13 / 26th - 9.4.13 / 27th - 12.12.13 / 28th - 3.24.14 / 29th - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st - 1.17.15 / 32nd - 4.27.15 / 33rd - 8.5.15 / 34th - 9.13.15 / 35th - 2.21.16 / 36th - 5.31.16 / 37th - 9.8.16 / 38th - 12.17.16 / 39th - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st - 10.13.17 / 42nd - 1.21.18 / 43rd - 5.1.18 / 44th - 8.9.18 / 45th - 11.17.18 / 46th - 2.25.19 / 47th - 6.5.19 / 48th - 9.13.19 / 49th - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st - 7.9.20 / 52nd - 10.17.20 / 53rd - 1.25.21 / 54th - 5.5.21 / 55th - 8.13.21 / 56th - 11.21.21 / 57th - 3.1.22 / 58th - 6.9.22 / 59th - 9.17.22 / 6K - 12.26.22 / 61st - 4.5.23 / 62nd - 7.14.23 / 63rd - 10.22.23 / 64th - 1.20.24 / 65th - 5.9.24 / 66th - 8.17.24 / 67th - 11.25.24

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #495 on: November 01, 2011, 12:50:00 AM »
New blog post: Celebrate 5 Years Of KillTheCan.org

http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/11/cele ... hecan-org/
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd - 2.08.07 / 3rd - 5.19.07 / 4th - 8.27.07 / 5th - 12.05.07 / 6th - 3.14.08 / 7th - 6.22.08 / 8th - 9.30.08 / 9th - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th - 7.27.09 / 12th - 11.04.09 / 13th - 2.12.10 / 14th - 05.23.10 / 15th - 08.31.2010 / 16th - 12.9.10 / 17th - 3.19.11 / 18th - 6.27.11 / 19th - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st - 4.22.12 / 22nd - 7.31.12 / 23rd - 11.8.12 / 24th - 2.16.13 / 25th - 5.27.13 / 26th - 9.4.13 / 27th - 12.12.13 / 28th - 3.24.14 / 29th - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st - 1.17.15 / 32nd - 4.27.15 / 33rd - 8.5.15 / 34th - 9.13.15 / 35th - 2.21.16 / 36th - 5.31.16 / 37th - 9.8.16 / 38th - 12.17.16 / 39th - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st - 10.13.17 / 42nd - 1.21.18 / 43rd - 5.1.18 / 44th - 8.9.18 / 45th - 11.17.18 / 46th - 2.25.19 / 47th - 6.5.19 / 48th - 9.13.19 / 49th - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st - 7.9.20 / 52nd - 10.17.20 / 53rd - 1.25.21 / 54th - 5.5.21 / 55th - 8.13.21 / 56th - 11.21.21 / 57th - 3.1.22 / 58th - 6.9.22 / 59th - 9.17.22 / 6K - 12.26.22 / 61st - 4.5.23 / 62nd - 7.14.23 / 63rd - 10.22.23 / 64th - 1.20.24 / 65th - 5.9.24 / 66th - 8.17.24 / 67th - 11.25.24

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #494 on: October 31, 2011, 06:32:00 PM »
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking!  WTF!

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
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"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
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"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???

A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".

Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.

Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!
The end of the article says this:

"They are probably safer than conventional cigarettes, if for no other reason than you're not burning anything, you're not smoking anything, you're not inhaling any smoke," he said.

"If you compare it to conventional cigarettes, they're probably a little bit better. If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."


Unfortunately the issue comes down to the lesser of two evils for a very MISINFORMED public. How is "our" system to be disseminated? "Cold turkey" to most is an unrealistic method of quitting. No doubt, KTC and its methods WORK - but for ME utilizing the tools here, there is no way I could have quit cold turkey. So, for people who have not been introduced to our hardcore and extreme method will view their only option as going to a "lesser of two evils". I am willing to bet that a poll taken of all KTC members would almost unanimously state that "cold turkey" was unrealistic prior to finding this place.

This place is phenomenal and works SUPERBLY for me and everyone else here but for some, it may not. Some either lack the fortitude or just could not live among the extreme methods (lots of cursing, gay jokes, etc.). This is unfortunate because hands down, THIS way works. Certainly the ONLY way that I have reached 94 days. I think it takes a certain type of individual to succeed here. To some, the approach here may seem offensive...cliche but true, they can't see the forest for the trees. For example, on the KTC Facebook page there was a church minister or something other and he commented how he was offended by some comment that someone made and would not visit KTC - so he'll just continue to dip because he didn't like how someone said "God damn".

I truly wish there was a way to disseminate this method to more people - to save more lives - to inform folks that there is a BETTER method than just selecting the lesser of two evils.

Anyway, I think I started going off on a tangent there but you get the point.
Anyone who spends enough time reading on this site will come to understand that all of the excuses we gave ourselves to continue using were nothing but addict lies. That's truth number 1.

The second truth we learn is that nicotine is only good at keeping us from feeling the effects of not using nicotine. Nicotine never helped us do _______ better. It simply made us not go through nicotine withdrawals while we were doing _________. This has been said by many others and much more eloquently, but it's the truth.

The third truth we learn here is that cold turkey is the best and only proven way to actually quit today. Anything less is a future quit and doesn't mean jack sh*. It's easy to talk a big game with nicotine flowing through your body.

The fourth truth is that every single addict has it within himself/herself to quit cold turkey. It's possible. It's hard, but it's possible. It's also very necessary if you want to stop damaging your body and at least begin reducing your chances from cancers caused by tobacco use.

After the first day I spent reading on this site, I knew all of these things to be true. I still didn't quit that day, but I was convicted and knew what I needed to do even if I was too scared to make the leap. I was an idiot for putting off quitting for one more second.

If you're still using nicotine and you're here reading this, I challenge you to invest time in reading as much as you can on this site. We know more than any doctor or any "study." We've been to hell and back and are here to present the good word that you can quit cold turkey and you can come out on the other side knowing that the initial pain and discomfort was well worth the price of admission for a nicotine free existence.

Make the decision today. There is absolutely no reason to ever ingest nicotine again.

By the way, OUTSTANDING work on the header today, Chews. You da man.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #493 on: October 29, 2011, 07:11:00 PM »
Quote from: Greg5280
Quote from: Steve1357
Quote from: ncgolfer
Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking!  WTF!

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
Quote
"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
Quote
"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???

A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".

Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.

Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!
The end of the article says this:

"They are probably safer than conventional cigarettes, if for no other reason than you're not burning anything, you're not smoking anything, you're not inhaling any smoke," he said.

"If you compare it to conventional cigarettes, they're probably a little bit better. If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."


Unfortunately the issue comes down to the lesser of two evils for a very MISINFORMED public. How is "our" system to be disseminated? "Cold turkey" to most is an unrealistic method of quitting. No doubt, KTC and its methods WORK - but for ME utilizing the tools here, there is no way I could have quit cold turkey. So, for people who have not been introduced to our hardcore and extreme method will view their only option as going to a "lesser of two evils". I am willing to bet that a poll taken of all KTC members would almost unanimously state that "cold turkey" was unrealistic prior to finding this place.

This place is phenomenal and works SUPERBLY for me and everyone else here but for some, it may not. Some either lack the fortitude or just could not live among the extreme methods (lots of cursing, gay jokes, etc.). This is unfortunate because hands down, THIS way works. Certainly the ONLY way that I have reached 94 days. I think it takes a certain type of individual to succeed here. To some, the approach here may seem offensive...cliche but true, they can't see the forest for the trees. For example, on the KTC Facebook page there was a church minister or something other and he commented how he was offended by some comment that someone made and would not visit KTC - so he'll just continue to dip because he didn't like how someone said "God damn".

I truly wish there was a way to disseminate this method to more people - to save more lives - to inform folks that there is a BETTER method than just selecting the lesser of two evils.

Anyway, I think I started going off on a tangent there but you get the point.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #492 on: October 29, 2011, 06:59:00 PM »
In the midst of all of the BS, there is one nugget of truth: the article says this about smokeless:

"If you compare it to quitting, they're absolutely worse."

Now that I can agree with.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #491 on: October 29, 2011, 06:52:00 PM »
Whos funding this research? Telling people to switch to Smokless?!?!?!


REDMAN!!!!!
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #490 on: October 29, 2011, 06:51:00 PM »
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Redman (disambiguation).
Red Man
Type Private
Industry Chewing Tobacco
Founded 1904
Headquarters Owensboro, Kentucky, USA
Website Redman.com
Red Man is a leading brand of chewing tobacco in the United States, produced since 1904.[1] Red Man has traditionally come as leaf tobacco, in contrast to twist chewing tobacco or the ground tobacco used in snuff, and became a leader in that form of oral/dental/mouth tobacco. It is made by the Pinkerton Tobacco company of Owensboro, Kentucky. In 1985, Pinkerton was acquired by a Swedish corporation, and after further corporate reshuffling, the Red Man brand now falls under the umbrella of the Swedish Match company, which in turn is owned primarily by institutional investors. The proportion owned by non-Swedish investors is approximately 80%.[2]
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #489 on: October 29, 2011, 04:27:00 PM »
Quote from: Steve1357
Quote from: ncgolfer
Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking!  WTF!

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
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"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
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"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???

A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.
Part of this study is funded by Big Tobacco. I would guess there are some " special " payments to doctor numnuts to say dipping is " safer".

Hope he can sleep at night. Still amazes me nicotine can be purchased at any C store in the country.

Nut up and quit people! It CAN be done!

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #488 on: October 29, 2011, 12:10:00 PM »
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Owensboro KY is encouraging the use of "Smokeless Tobacco" as a safe alternative to smoking! WTF!

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/sto ... 50979410/1
This is such bullshit. Who sponsored this research; U.S. Smokeless Tobacco?
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"Americans are largely misinformed about the relative risks. Â… They think smokeless tobacco is just as dangerous," Rodu said. "This level of misinformation is an enormous barrier to actually accomplishing tobacco-harm reduction because if people believe that the products have equal risk, there's not a real incentive."
Go check out some cancer pictures, and tell me if smokeless tobacco is not as dangerous.
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"I don't think we have any problem in telling a person that drinks a six-pack a day that if they could cut it back to two beers a day or two drinks a day that their health risks are greatly reduced," Thomas said. "Finding a way to let people have their nicotine that carries less risk, it's the realistic solution."
A realistic solution???

A guy who drinks a six pack a day, and switches two drinks a day is unrealistic. One bad day, one trigger, one minor setback, and he his back to six beers a day. Why is quitting not a realistic solution? Thousands of people here have done it. We are no different from any other addict.