General Discussion - 2016

[chewie]

Hey Guys, I have only been dipping for 3 months on and off, alltogether ive gone through less than 4 cans... I dipped 5 times one day, then 3 the next, i woke up with ulsers all over my mouth and a sore throat with white in the back, its been 2 days and i feel like with proper dental care the mouth is still tender but healing, the white gums in the front are starting to look better, should i be worried?

You should be very worried. You should be worried that you're headed down a path that will lead to serious health concerns, lies to the people you love, thousands of wasted dollars, addiction and slavery to useless plant. You should be worried that you're starting a path that those of us here would give about anything to go back in time to stop.

Your immediate health concerns are almost certainly temporary, but don't take that as an all clear. It's basically your healthy body starting to acclimate to the form of an addict.

Throw away all of your tobacco, forget you ever tried the shit and never touch it again. Either that, or I'll see you back in here in 10 years... Your call.

Amen To THAT.....Throw that shit out and run away as fast as you can. Your at the point where you don't even need to start....

I'm on day 2 of quitting a 20+ year battle. Wish I could go back and never even start.

im done guys, i threw it all away, im praying its not cancer and its only temporary i wana live a hapy and healthy life, im a quitter, i wana do this for me, be a healthy individual.

You got some tremendous advice. Glad to have you on the quit side. Welcome aboard!

[cj22312]

Hey Guys, I have only been dipping for 3 months on and off, alltogether ive gone through less than 4 cans... I dipped 5 times one day, then 3 the next, i woke up with ulsers all over my mouth and a sore throat with white in the back, its been 2 days and i feel like with proper dental care the mouth is still tender but healing, the white gums in the front are starting to look better, should i be worried?

You should be very worried. You should be worried that you're headed down a path that will lead to serious health concerns, lies to the people you love, thousands of wasted dollars, addiction and slavery to useless plant. You should be worried that you're starting a path that those of us here would give about anything to go back in time to stop.

Your immediate health concerns are almost certainly temporary, but don't take that as an all clear. It's basically your healthy body starting to acclimate to the form of an addict.

Throw away all of your tobacco, forget you ever tried the shit and never touch it again. Either that, or I'll see you back in here in 10 years... Your call.

Amen To THAT.....Throw that shit out and run away as fast as you can. Your at the point where you don't even need to start....

I'm on day 2 of quitting a 20+ year battle. Wish I could go back and never even start.

im done guys, i threw it all away, im praying its not cancer and its only temporary i wana live a hapy and healthy life, im a quitter, i wana do this for me, be a healthy individual.

[Maximus0752]

Hey Guys, I have only been dipping for 3 months on and off, alltogether ive gone through less than 4 cans... I dipped 5 times one day, then 3 the next, i woke up with ulsers all over my mouth and a sore throat with white in the back, its been 2 days and i feel like with proper dental care the mouth is still tender but healing, the white gums in the front are starting to look better, should i be worried?

You should be very worried. You should be worried that you're headed down a path that will lead to serious health concerns, lies to the people you love, thousands of wasted dollars, addiction and slavery to useless plant. You should be worried that you're starting a path that those of us here would give about anything to go back in time to stop.

Your immediate health concerns are almost certainly temporary, but don't take that as an all clear. It's basically your healthy body starting to acclimate to the form of an addict.

Throw away all of your tobacco, forget you ever tried the shit and never touch it again. Either that, or I'll see you back in here in 10 years... Your call.

Amen To THAT.....Throw that shit out and run away as fast as you can. Your at the point where you don't even need to start....

I'm on day 2 of quitting a 20+ year battle. Wish I could go back and never even start.

[pky1520]

I've been dipping for 10 months now (I did for one summer in college playing video games with my friends). I'm still on the pouches but I've gotten a strange routine..I only dip every time I'm on the shitter, so now Every time I sit on the toilet I've gotta have a pouch in. I leave my dip next to my toilet too. I know it might sound kinda weird but it's prolly been months since I've taken a dump without a pouch in my mouth. Anyone else have this issue? Any suggestions? It's been really hard for me to try to quit when I've so strongly associated it with a natural bodily process

Chauncey, I used to dip every time I was on the shitter too. Also every time I took a shower, also nearly every time I drove, also when I'd play video games, also every time I stayed up late, also every time my wife left the house, also every time I went to an outdoor sporting event....

These are called triggers, but quitters much more experienced than I will tell you that life is a trigger. Good for you that for now you've limited it to the shitter. I will tell you that with near 100% certainty, that will change. Not all at once, but you will slowly start to add triggers to your dip plan. It's the natural progression of addiction.

My advice is to quit right now. If you don't, 20 years from now you'll be wondering where the time went. Trust me on that.

Yep, exactly what King said. "I only dip when I..." is where it starts, but that garbage will seep into just about every aspect of your life until it kills you.

Take that can you have next to the shitter, open it, turn it over into the bowl, flush and never look back.

If you think it's hard to quit when you've associated it with a bodily function, do you think it will get any easier when you've associated it with nearly every damn thing?

The good news is that you CAN quit. If King can do it, if I can do it, you can do it. It sucks at first, but it gets better. The longer you wait, the harder it will be. Don't taper, don't try, just do.

[pky1520]

Hey Guys, I have only been dipping for 3 months on and off, alltogether ive gone through less than 4 cans... I dipped 5 times one day, then 3 the next, i woke up with ulsers all over my mouth and a sore throat with white in the back, its been 2 days and i feel like with proper dental care the mouth is still tender but healing, the white gums in the front are starting to look better, should i be worried?

You should be very worried. You should be worried that you're headed down a path that will lead to serious health concerns, lies to the people you love, thousands of wasted dollars, addiction and slavery to useless plant. You should be worried that you're starting a path that those of us here would give about anything to go back in time to stop.

Your immediate health concerns are almost certainly temporary, but don't take that as an all clear. It's basically your healthy body starting to acclimate to the form of an addict.

Throw away all of your tobacco, forget you ever tried the shit and never touch it again. Either that, or I'll see you back in here in 10 years... Your call.

[KingNothing]

I've been dipping for 10 months now (I did for one summer in college playing video games with my friends). I'm still on the pouches but I've gotten a strange routine..I only dip every time I'm on the shitter, so now Every time I sit on the toilet I've gotta have a pouch in. I leave my dip next to my toilet too. I know it might sound kinda weird but it's prolly been months since I've taken a dump without a pouch in my mouth. Anyone else have this issue? Any suggestions? It's been really hard for me to try to quit when I've so strongly associated it with a natural bodily process

Chauncey, I used to dip every time I was on the shitter too. Also every time I took a shower, also nearly every time I drove, also when I'd play video games, also every time I stayed up late, also every time my wife left the house, also every time I went to an outdoor sporting event....

These are called triggers, but quitters much more experienced than I will tell you that life is a trigger. Good for you that for now you've limited it to the shitter. I will tell you that with near 100% certainty, that will change. Not all at once, but you will slowly start to add triggers to your dip plan. It's the natural progression of addiction.

My advice is to quit right now. If you don't, 20 years from now you'll be wondering where the time went. Trust me on that.

[Chauncey]

I've been dipping for 10 months now (I did for one summer in college playing video games with my friends). I'm still on the pouches but I've gotten a strange routine..I only dip every time I'm on the shitter, so now Every time I sit on the toilet I've gotta have a pouch in. I leave my dip next to my toilet too. I know it might sound kinda weird but it's prolly been months since I've taken a dump without a pouch in my mouth. Anyone else have this issue? Any suggestions? It's been really hard for me to try to quit when I've so strongly associated it with a natural bodily process

[cj22312]

Hey Guys, I have only been dipping for 3 months on and off, alltogether ive gone through less than 4 cans... I dipped 5 times one day, then 3 the next, i woke up with ulsers all over my mouth and a sore throat with white in the back, its been 2 days and i feel like with proper dental care the mouth is still tender but healing, the white gums in the front are starting to look better, should i be worried?

[cj22312]

Thanks for the response caveman,I really appreciate it, I know the buzz is great but when I look at the long term problems I just cant tell myself that dip is anything thats worth it. Im serious about the quit, i wana do this for myself, I wana be healthy

[CavMan83]

Hey Guys, Ive been dipping for about 3 months now and honestly I dont think I can feel the dependence or the addiction factors of it. I was introduced by my old college roomate adn it wasnt serious, a dip to end the night usually. I did that for a few weeks and then it was summer, I told myself I was never gona go out and pay for the stuff. I didint dip for about a month to a month and a half and then i caved, I bought a can of cope wintergreen. I dipped 5 times in alternating sides one night then another 3-4 the next night. My gums were so tore up and I now have mouth ulcers and a sore throat. I know this shit isnt good for me and im officially DONE... Ive been done for 3 days now and I still have a sore throat and am taking really good care of my mouth with baking soda and gargling saltwater and the ulcers seem to be getting better. My main question would be, since I never really did it for a long long time, there wouldnt be a chance it would turn into cancer? Did the ulcers and the sore throat come from overdipping those 2 days and it came about then? I would love the help guys!

CJ,

I'm not a doctor, but I do know that tobacco is a carcinogen....by it's very nature it is an irritant. It's quite possible you inflamed your gums and cheek by "overdipping" as you put it. I also know that you may not "feel" that you're addicted, but let's try this test. You go for a week and tell me if you're feeling any withdrawal symptoms, like craving a dip. You see, nicotine is HIGHLY addictive, (think cocaine-level addictive), so it doesn't take much if you're like the vast majority of users. Glad you quit, but if you're serious about staying quit, head on over to October 2016 (KTC groups quitters by the month they will hit 100 days quit), and post up your promise that you're done with nicotine/tobacco. If you quit 3 days ago, you're now on day four. Congrats on the decision (if it sticks)!

[cj22312]

Hey Guys, Ive been dipping for about 3 months now and honestly I dont think I can feel the dependence or the addiction factors of it. I was introduced by my old college roomate adn it wasnt serious, a dip to end the night usually. I did that for a few weeks and then it was summer, I told myself I was never gona go out and pay for the stuff. I didint dip for about a month to a month and a half and then i caved, I bought a can of cope wintergreen. I dipped 5 times in alternating sides one night then another 3-4 the next night. My gums were so tore up and I now have mouth ulcers and a sore throat. I know this shit isnt good for me and im officially DONE... Ive been done for 3 days now and I still have a sore throat and am taking really good care of my mouth with baking soda and gargling saltwater and the ulcers seem to be getting better. My main question would be, since I never really did it for a long long time, there wouldnt be a chance it would turn into cancer? Did the ulcers and the sore throat come from overdipping those 2 days and it came about then? I would love the help guys!

[Jay1978]

Hey, everyone. I'm Jay and I haven't had a chew since March 8th of this year. I chewed for about 10 years. I quit because I noticed that my soft palate was inflamed and made the mistake of googling it, to try to get an answer as to why it looked like that. The internet had me completely convinced that I had oral cancer, so I immediately threw all my chew away and made an appointment with the doctor. He didn't seem overly concerned by the inflammation, but did point out that I had excessive leukoplakia (white patches) on the inside of my cheek and he said that if it didn't go away in a few weeks, to come back for a biopsy... BIOPSY?!!?!?! Wth, I'm only 38! Well I went to my dentist to get a second opinion, and he freaked out about the inflammation and told me that I needed to see an oral surgeon right away. My anxiety was now in full swing. By the time I was able to get into see the oral surgeon (a week later) the inflammation on my soft palate was gone, but the area where I most frequently held my dip, became red and some of the skin had eroded. Anyway, the oral surgeon did a biopsy and scheduled me back for the results in 2 weeks. Fortunately, he was kind enough to call me 2 days later to tell me that it was just irritation. The biopsy report read: Lichenoid Mucositis. I never had anxiety before this, but even now, 4 months later, I look in my mouth every day for anything weird and I still have some redness that is sensitive to spicy foods and toothpaste. I don't like to preach, but if you're thinking about quitting, I highly recommend it. I don't know any of you, but I promise you that you do NOT want to know what it's like to go through what I went through. I'm still messed up from it, to the point where I'm talking to a therapist about my health anxiety. I'd also like to give a little advice, if I may - any issues that arise in your mouth, whether you chew still, or not, do not, under any circumstances, google your symptoms, because it will take you to a very dark place. Do, however, make an appointment with your doctor or better yet, your dentist. Another thing, check your mouth for changes once a month, as oral cancer is very treatable if caught early. Thanks for reading.

[Drewdrew]

Why are users of the patch not welcomed here? I used 2-3 cans a day and need a way to step down. I cannot go cold turkey. Even with the patch I have felt sick and out of sorts (this is day two of not chewing). I love the die hard attitude here and I want to take part, but I hope to be on patches (and not chew) for at least a few months. I need to ween myself off of nicotine, I cannot go cold turkey.

Gladiator5000,
Bro I know that it does not make sense in the throws of quitting. I have tried so many times patches, nic gum, you name it man. I have found cold turkey worked well for me for six months, then I mind fucked myself. The difference this time bro for me is it's not just me. I am going to do my best to be part of this community to support each other. It sucks it's only like day 7 or 8 for me. You can do it, don't sell yourself short.

Gladiator, if you were quitting crack, would you wean off by doing 6 lines of powder a day for a month, then 5 lines a day for a month, etc.? Then when that didn't work, do a couple bags of heroin a day, just to make sure you didn't crash too hard? Quit alcohol by weaning from liquor only to drink an 18 pack of beer?

It's all the same poison bud, regardless of the method by which you choose to consume. You are coddling yourself if you feel like you can't quit cold turkey. You can. Nobody has ever died from nicotine withdrawal. Also, you'll be miserable during your wean and then be miserable again when you finally rip that patch off.

The only way to quit nicotine is to quit nicotine. Period. It might sound harsh, but it's not impossible, and the benefits are immeasurable. Dig deep, find some intestinal fortitude and just quit.

^^ Well Said! I used to chew nicotine gum in between cans of cope. Then I said I would cut back, quit next week, after this can or pack of gum for years...
I am almost 2 years quit after 18 years using, this system works, get on board and we can help!

Come back in a few months then. Starting date will be when you take the last patch off. Nicotine is the enemy here.

Hey Gladiator. I agree with what everyone also told you and I wanted to make a separate point nobody raised. I never felt like an addict until withdrawal hit. I honestly never considered myself to be addicted until I felt withdrawal like a drug addict feels it. Withdrawal changed me and opened my eyes about how nicotine controlled me and how much damage it inflicted on my brain. Maybe you need to feel withdrawal so you can teach yourself how to heal? Just food for thought...

Guess this clown was as serious about his stickers

[Chargers]

Why are users of the patch not welcomed here? I used 2-3 cans a day and need a way to step down. I cannot go cold turkey. Even with the patch I have felt sick and out of sorts (this is day two of not chewing). I love the die hard attitude here and I want to take part, but I hope to be on patches (and not chew) for at least a few months. I need to ween myself off of nicotine, I cannot go cold turkey.

Gladiator5000,
Bro I know that it does not make sense in the throws of quitting. I have tried so many times patches, nic gum, you name it man. I have found cold turkey worked well for me for six months, then I mind fucked myself. The difference this time bro for me is it's not just me. I am going to do my best to be part of this community to support each other. It sucks it's only like day 7 or 8 for me. You can do it, don't sell yourself short.

Gladiator, if you were quitting crack, would you wean off by doing 6 lines of powder a day for a month, then 5 lines a day for a month, etc.? Then when that didn't work, do a couple bags of heroin a day, just to make sure you didn't crash too hard? Quit alcohol by weaning from liquor only to drink an 18 pack of beer?

It's all the same poison bud, regardless of the method by which you choose to consume. You are coddling yourself if you feel like you can't quit cold turkey. You can. Nobody has ever died from nicotine withdrawal. Also, you'll be miserable during your wean and then be miserable again when you finally rip that patch off.

The only way to quit nicotine is to quit nicotine. Period. It might sound harsh, but it's not impossible, and the benefits are immeasurable. Dig deep, find some intestinal fortitude and just quit.

^^ Well Said! I used to chew nicotine gum in between cans of cope. Then I said I would cut back, quit next week, after this can or pack of gum for years...
I am almost 2 years quit after 18 years using, this system works, get on board and we can help!

Come back in a few months then. Starting date will be when you take the last patch off. Nicotine is the enemy here.

Hey Gladiator. I agree with what everyone also told you and I wanted to make a separate point nobody raised. I never felt like an addict until withdrawal hit. I honestly never considered myself to be addicted until I felt withdrawal like a drug addict feels it. Withdrawal changed me and opened my eyes about how nicotine controlled me and how much damage it inflicted on my brain. Maybe you need to feel withdrawal so you can teach yourself how to heal? Just food for thought...

[Chargers]

Hey everyone, Charlie here. I finally made the decision last night that I have had enough. I have been dipping for 27 years, recently over a can and a half a day. I was getting so sick of spitters everywhere, empty cans, worrying about mouth disease, the wife and kids letting me have it (I am quitting for me, not for them). Just sick of it. Today is the actual 1st day and I feel like I am losing my mind. anxiety, racing thoughts, out of it. My mouth is sore from chewing 20 sticks of Wrigley's.

Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself and say hello. If I don't kill someone (haha), I will be back. I will be so glad to be done with this part of life.

Freedom from the spitter!

Glad you could make it. Tomorrow please find your way to the October 2016 group and post roll with them. October 2016 is your group and you should be posting your promise to abstain from nicotine each day in this group. Don't worry if you do not know how to post roll. Ask for help and someone will help you. Also, introduce yourself to the group members and develop connections with them. These guys will be a great resource for you because they are experiencing exactly what you are experiencing right now.