General Discussion - 2014

[Mjollnir]

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Excellent!

[Mjollnir]

I get a kick out of guts like nsk.

They have it figured out, or so they think. . He talks himself in circles and is full of speculation and one man theories.  He has no idea what lies ahead, but many here do.

While this is a unique addiction, the commonalities amongst quitters is astonishing, and they are REAL.  They don't come about because you read "what to expect when you quit". There is no osmosis going on here, ktc or no ktc the struggles and feelings one experiences when they quit would be the same.  This isn't a cult of made up stories.  It's a brotherhood of people trying to help others cope by providing support and sharing real life experiences.

As for his theory that "one day" we will be cured...It doesnt register with me.  The only thing I'm focused on is TODAY, because that's all I, and anyone else, can control. 

Quit on....

My feelings exactly, It does not matter how many days out you get .. it will always be one day at a time.. There are many with years behind them that slip up... and they are gone. The strength to the quit is the same as the attack of nicotine ... one day at a time forever.

Yes, someday we will all be cured of the addiction. It will be the moment we close our eyes for the last time, and enter eternal sleep. Until then, while your machine is still running, keep that shit out of it!

[GR8WHITEBUFFALO]

This is HUGE !!!

Please shop at CVS and show your support so more businesses will take notice and do the same thing !!!!

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[Emulator]

I get a kick out of guts like nsk.

They have it figured out, or so they think. . He talks himself in circles and is full of speculation and one man theories. He has no idea what lies ahead, but many here do.

While this is a unique addiction, the commonalities amongst quitters is astonishing, and they are REAL. They don't come about because you read "what to expect when you quit". There is no osmosis going on here, ktc or no ktc the struggles and feelings one experiences when they quit would be the same. This isn't a cult of made up stories. It's a brotherhood of people trying to help others cope by providing support and sharing real life experiences.

As for his theory that "one day" we will be cured...It doesnt register with me. The only thing I'm focused on is TODAY, because that's all I, and anyone else, can control.

Quit on....

My feelings exactly, It does not matter how many days out you get .. it will always be one day at a time.. There are many with years behind them that slip up... and they are gone. The strength to the quit is the same as the attack of nicotine ... one day at a time forever.

[Diesel2112]

I get a kick out of guts like nsk.

They have it figured out, or so they think. . He talks himself in circles and is full of speculation and one man theories. He has no idea what lies ahead, but many here do.

While this is a unique addiction, the commonalities amongst quitters is astonishing, and they are REAL. They don't come about because you read "what to expect when you quit". There is no osmosis going on here, ktc or no ktc the struggles and feelings one experiences when they quit would be the same. This isn't a cult of made up stories. It's a brotherhood of people trying to help others cope by providing support and sharing real life experiences.

As for his theory that "one day" we will be cured...It doesnt register with me. The only thing I'm focused on is TODAY, because that's all I, and anyone else, can control.

Quit on....

[G]

Never cured.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013 ... hout-drugs

[G]

I agree with all here.. I have almost 13 years of continuous sobriety from King Alcohol and there is a saying in the 12 step groups and it goes like this.. "once a cucumber becomes a pickle, it can never become a cucumber again.". I hit my bottom with alcohol and now with tobacco.. I knew 12 13 years ago I couldnt just have one dip but the consequences were not in my face like alcohol was.. Dip is a slow burn, a slow killer.. delayed consequences that take time for a lot of folks.. I made a decision last monday to get help for my tobacco because like alcohol I couldnt do it by myself... I urge you to be careful what u tell folks... Ive seen folks go out for one drink after 30 years of sobriety and die within one week of picking back up...

As for me, and only speaking for me. I absolutely cannot have just one dip.. I tried that 7 years ago after 4 years of no dip and it took me this long to quit again..

Please go and google the "phenomenon of craving" before u tell another person they can one dip and put it down..

My Rant is over

Wow. That right there is REAL. Four years quit and one dip...BOOM. There's a guy here who was quit for fifteen years and went back to a can a day addiction feeding after "just one." Thanks for sharing your story.

[Pinched]

That is 22 years of sobriety.

You are playing with a dangerous toy.  This is not about a mental game, it is a physical thing and I have a great deal of personal experience with it.

Well 22 years of sobriety has not done much for your ethics. For anyone wondering, mj just deleted 3 posts to 3 articles I cited explaining what it is I am talking about.

Now, sir, please kindly go ahead and delete my account as I am no longer interested in taking part in a community that is all for censoring information that may help people recover from addictions they wish to be free from.

My conscious is clear.

Ban that mofo for being a fraud. I've been reading via cell phone and about to jump out of my skin to tear into this fraud. Blatant contradiction after another. Since I am on my cell phone, I will sum up what is obvious.

For one, if you could get past your egocentric and narscisstic ramblings, conclusory statments, circular reasoning, assumptions, biases, and appeals to your own personal beliefs about reality as authority (self authenticate any?), then you would not be on a quit smokeless extreme site.

You sound more like a mentally ill person rambling on about junk psychology. I agree you need a doctor. You need more help than we can provide you here.

Btw, since your hypethis (but you also called it a theory) is infallible, why did you not just go visit your neighbors and enlighten them that their reality is what their subconscious truly believes--like healed from tobacco-induced cancer? Because, your hypothesis/theory is as much of a fraud as you are.

You sir are petaling junk-psychology. It would take a true narcissist to try and pass that off as an original thought. Btw, the "habit theory" and outgrowing took off in the 1970's. Now, if my math is correct, that puts your fraudlent hypothesis/theory prior to our 'antiquated' 1980's model.

Go pound sand, bitch.

If this guy isn't gonna post roll and continues to feed big tobacco propaganda it's time for him to go!

I rarely argue for banishment .... But in this case I do

I agree with all here.. I have almost 13 years of continuous sobriety from King Alcohol and there is a saying in the 12 step groups and it goes like this.. "once a cucumber becomes a pickle, it can never become a cucumber again.". I hit my bottom with alcohol and now with tobacco.. I knew 12 13 years ago I couldnt just have one dip but the consequences were not in my face like alcohol was.. Dip is a slow burn, a slow killer.. delayed consequences that take time for a lot of folks.. I made a decision last monday to get help for my tobacco because like alcohol I couldnt do it by myself... I urge you to be careful what u tell folks... Ive seen folks go out for one drink after 30 years of sobriety and die within one week of picking back up...

As for me, and only speaking for me. I absolutely cannot have just one dip.. I tried that 7 years ago after 4 years of no dip and it took me this long to quit again..

Please go and google the "phenomenon of craving" before u tell another person they can one dip and put it down..

My Rant is over

:deadhorse:

OK, sorry I just read all that BS, and first of all Mjollnir is my brother, so look mother fucker fuck off!

You kick this hornet's nest and your ass is gonna get stung.

Sorry to those offended by my rant but I do not tolerate that kind of Bullshit and I sure as hell am not going to watch it happen by some unproven newb.

[Mjollnir]

That is 22 years of sobriety.

You are playing with a dangerous toy.  This is not about a mental game, it is a physical thing and I have a great deal of personal experience with it.

Well 22 years of sobriety has not done much for your ethics. For anyone wondering, mj just deleted 3 posts to 3 articles I cited explaining what it is I am talking about.

Now, sir, please kindly go ahead and delete my account as I am no longer interested in taking part in a community that is all for censoring information that may help people recover from addictions they wish to be free from.

My conscious is clear.

Ban that mofo for being a fraud. I've been reading via cell phone and about to jump out of my skin to tear into this fraud. Blatant contradiction after another. Since I am on my cell phone, I will sum up what is obvious.

For one, if you could get past your egocentric and narscisstic ramblings, conclusory statments, circular reasoning, assumptions, biases, and appeals to your own personal beliefs about reality as authority (self authenticate any?), then you would not be on a quit smokeless extreme site.

You sound more like a mentally ill person rambling on about junk psychology. I agree you need a doctor. You need more help than we can provide you here.

Btw, since your hypethis (but you also called it a theory) is infallible, why did you not just go visit your neighbors and enlighten them that their reality is what their subconscious truly believes--like healed from tobacco-induced cancer? Because, your hypothesis/theory is as much of a fraud as you are.

You sir are petaling junk-psychology. It would take a true narcissist to try and pass that off as an original thought. Btw, the "habit theory" and outgrowing took off in the 1970's. Now, if my math is correct, that puts your fraudlent hypothesis/theory prior to our 'antiquated' 1980's model.

Go pound sand, bitch.

If this guy isn't gonna post roll and continues to feed big tobacco propaganda it's time for him to go!

I rarely argue for banishment .... But in this case I do

I agree with all here.. I have almost 13 years of continuous sobriety from King Alcohol and there is a saying in the 12 step groups and it goes like this.. "once a cucumber becomes a pickle, it can never become a cucumber again.". I hit my bottom with alcohol and now with tobacco.. I knew 12 13 years ago I couldnt just have one dip but the consequences were not in my face like alcohol was.. Dip is a slow burn, a slow killer.. delayed consequences that take time for a lot of folks.. I made a decision last monday to get help for my tobacco because like alcohol I couldnt do it by myself... I urge you to be careful what u tell folks... Ive seen folks go out for one drink after 30 years of sobriety and die within one week of picking back up...

As for me, and only speaking for me. I absolutely cannot have just one dip.. I tried that 7 years ago after 4 years of no dip and it took me this long to quit again..

Please go and google the "phenomenon of craving" before u tell another person they can one dip and put it down..

My Rant is over

:deadhorse:

[nsterken]

Please go and google the "phenomenon of craving" before u tell another person they can one dip and put it down..

My Rant is over

Again, you need to reread the posts if that is what you got out of them as that is the exact opposite of what the content of my posts were about.

I have not used any technical jargon or fancy paraphrasing, I have stated in pretty plain english what it is I am on about. Not sure if folks aren't reading the posts or simply aren't comprehending what it is they are reading.

For the record, none of these allegations are true: I have not advocated for anyone to start chewing again or to have "just" one. If you don't believe me, reread my posts is all I can really say, the point is somewhat moot at this stage.

[Fed up]

That is 22 years of sobriety.

You are playing with a dangerous toy.  This is not about a mental game, it is a physical thing and I have a great deal of personal experience with it.

Well 22 years of sobriety has not done much for your ethics. For anyone wondering, mj just deleted 3 posts to 3 articles I cited explaining what it is I am talking about.

Now, sir, please kindly go ahead and delete my account as I am no longer interested in taking part in a community that is all for censoring information that may help people recover from addictions they wish to be free from.

My conscious is clear.

Ban that mofo for being a fraud. I've been reading via cell phone and about to jump out of my skin to tear into this fraud. Blatant contradiction after another. Since I am on my cell phone, I will sum up what is obvious.

For one, if you could get past your egocentric and narscisstic ramblings, conclusory statments, circular reasoning, assumptions, biases, and appeals to your own personal beliefs about reality as authority (self authenticate any?), then you would not be on a quit smokeless extreme site.

You sound more like a mentally ill person rambling on about junk psychology. I agree you need a doctor. You need more help than we can provide you here.

Btw, since your hypethis (but you also called it a theory) is infallible, why did you not just go visit your neighbors and enlighten them that their reality is what their subconscious truly believes--like healed from tobacco-induced cancer? Because, your hypothesis/theory is as much of a fraud as you are.

You sir are petaling junk-psychology. It would take a true narcissist to try and pass that off as an original thought. Btw, the "habit theory" and outgrowing took off in the 1970's. Now, if my math is correct, that puts your fraudlent hypothesis/theory prior to our 'antiquated' 1980's model.

Go pound sand, bitch.

If this guy isn't gonna post roll and continues to feed big tobacco propaganda it's time for him to go!

I rarely argue for banishment .... But in this case I do

I agree with all here.. I have almost 13 years of continuous sobriety from King Alcohol and there is a saying in the 12 step groups and it goes like this.. "once a cucumber becomes a pickle, it can never become a cucumber again.". I hit my bottom with alcohol and now with tobacco.. I knew 12 13 years ago I couldnt just have one dip but the consequences were not in my face like alcohol was.. Dip is a slow burn, a slow killer.. delayed consequences that take time for a lot of folks.. I made a decision last monday to get help for my tobacco because like alcohol I couldnt do it by myself... I urge you to be careful what u tell folks... Ive seen folks go out for one drink after 30 years of sobriety and die within one week of picking back up...

As for me, and only speaking for me. I absolutely cannot have just one dip.. I tried that 7 years ago after 4 years of no dip and it took me this long to quit again..

Please go and google the "phenomenon of craving" before u tell another person they can one dip and put it down..

My Rant is over

[Nolaq]

Hey there. Are you here as a guest? Are checking out the site and thinking about quitting the dip? Are you wondering if you can actually do it for real this time?

YOU CAN! You are not here by accident. You have come to the right place. Dump your stash and start RIGHT NOW. Post on here if you need any help finding your way around the site.

Bump.

[Sh4string]

That is 22 years of sobriety.

You are playing with a dangerous toy.  This is not about a mental game, it is a physical thing and I have a great deal of personal experience with it.

Well 22 years of sobriety has not done much for your ethics. For anyone wondering, mj just deleted 3 posts to 3 articles I cited explaining what it is I am talking about.

Now, sir, please kindly go ahead and delete my account as I am no longer interested in taking part in a community that is all for censoring information that may help people recover from addictions they wish to be free from.

My conscious is clear.

Ban that mofo for being a fraud. I've been reading via cell phone and about to jump out of my skin to tear into this fraud. Blatant contradiction after another. Since I am on my cell phone, I will sum up what is obvious.

For one, if you could get past your egocentric and narscisstic ramblings, conclusory statments, circular reasoning, assumptions, biases, and appeals to your own personal beliefs about reality as authority (self authenticate any?), then you would not be on a quit smokeless extreme site.

You sound more like a mentally ill person rambling on about junk psychology. I agree you need a doctor. You need more help than we can provide you here.

Btw, since your hypethis (but you also called it a theory) is infallible, why did you not just go visit your neighbors and enlighten them that their reality is what their subconscious truly believes--like healed from tobacco-induced cancer? Because, your hypothesis/theory is as much of a fraud as you are.

You sir are petaling junk-psychology. It would take a true narcissist to try and pass that off as an original thought. Btw, the "habit theory" and outgrowing took off in the 1970's. Now, if my math is correct, that puts your fraudlent hypothesis/theory prior to our 'antiquated' 1980's model.

Go pound sand, bitch.

If this guy isn't gonna post roll and continues to feed big tobacco propaganda it's time for him to go!

I rarely argue for banishment .... But in this case I do

[STLBlues297]

I just officially joined KTC today and I'm officially quitting today.
I know it says day 1-3 are the hardest
are there any types for coping with the first three days?
I recently ordered the herbal pouches to help me quit. I'm actually excited to begin quitting because I think I really have noticed a significant change in my behavior/personal since I started. I just feel like a different person and I don't know if thats out of the ordinary or if thats a normal feeling. I was never a smoker or anything before about a year ago. I didnt really even do much with alcohol before i turned 21. For some reason i just decided last august that i wanted to try smokeless tobacco.

I'm a marine engineering major finishing my bachelor of engineering degree this May. In Spring of 2013, I realized I was slightly behind being on track to graduate in May 2014, not because I'm a slacker or because I failed classes, but because I switched majors a couple times and it screwed up some of my course loads. Anyways I knew to stay on track I had to really load up on credits. I took 21 credits in Spring 2013 and it was a very difficult semester. Then I went on my 90 day summer sea term, which is part of what maritime colleges is do and the 90 day summer sea term is one of the biggest milestones to complete at the school. I went 7 for 7 on my license seminar exams and couldnt have been more proud. When it was over and the ship returned to New York in August, I got to go home for the first time since christmas. Sadly, I was only able to be home for 5 days until I had to go back to school for RA training and the beginning of my Fall semester, which is when i decided to try the smokeless tobacco. I had heard it helps with focus and I had an 8 hr drive to NYC ahead of me. I figured what the hell ill try it. I ended up liking it and never even got sick from it. Then the reality hit me that I have another 14 weeks of 21 credits. It was a brutal experience and i dipped hard for every single day of those 14 weeks and ended up with a 3.70 GPA for the semester. However, it was not over for me yet because is till had to sit for my USCG third assistant engineer license exams in January. I spent all three weeks of christmas break studying my ass off 8 hrs a day. And yeah you can guess what i did every single day.....yup dipped hard the entire month. License is one of the most difficult experiences to go through at my college because its like the BAR exam for engineers and i cant graduate unless i pass it. It consisted of 7 different 3 hr exams in a four day period. By far my proudest achievement I went 7 for 7 on those exams. Now that puts me in the last semester of my senior year and ive been telling myself constantly I'm only dipping to get me through the semester.... to get me through license.... to relax and enjoy myself.


Enough is ENOUGH and i need to quit


this is my story and why I am quitting. I am quitting for myself because I do not need tobacco to continue on in life


this is my story hope it is appropriate for this forum and not too lengthy

[Mjollnir]

Alright all. I'm gonna have to have a judges ruling on this.... T R O L L ! ! ! !

Done