General Discussion - 2014

[chewie]

New Blog Post: KillTheCan.org Is On The Move!!!
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/02/kill ... -the-move/

[dchogs]

The "Swashbuckling September Vigilantes"...aka, the Pirates, get their first comma today. Stop by September 2011 and share some congrats with dchogs.

thanks, brother!

just a point of note, i am only an honorary pirate, though it's awesome that i'm considered one of the actual crew. i'm a legit Monk of August 11. swing by either place for some of the brother's heavenly brew... i'll leave a keg or 10 on the pirate ship.

[tazmed]

The "Swashbuckling September Vigilantes"...aka, the Pirates, get their first comma today. Stop by September 2011 and share some congrats with dchogs.

[Mjollnir]

Wow.  I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK.  I hope he finds his way to freedom.  I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

I know a guy, "Joe" who started smoking in high school. At age 35 he quit cold turkey.

Fast forward SEVEN years. He was at a 4th of July party watching people set off fireworks. His brother was head of pyrotechnics and was lighting them with his cigarette. He had to take a piss, much to the dismay of the kids on hand. So rather than pausing the show Uncle Joe grabbed the cigarette and continued with the show.

He lit a rocket, put the cigarette in his mouth and ran away while the firework went skyward.

As he was innoctly running away he took a drag of the cigarette and ended up smoking the whole thing.

That night on his way home from the party he stopped and bought a pack.

He has smoked one to two packs a day since. He was 42 then and is 53 now.

He said it was the biggest mistake of his life, but says he has not had the motivation to quit again.His exact quote..."ahhhh fuck, I know I need to quit that shit again but it's so Fucking hard. I wish I never put that son of a bitch in my mouth. Oh well, fuck it. We all gotta die of something".

I wonder where this leaves your theory?. Maybe if he had waited TEN years he could have had a puff of that cigarette and been ok?

Dude...your theory blows and we see the law of addiction proven over and over again.

We are here to QUIT...FOR GOOD.

Not so someday (which nobody knows when) we can have a dip again.

That's just Fucking stupid and addict logic at it's finest.

The ktc train will roll on with or without you.

Quit on...

Nsterk,

I'm not trying to out-do Diesel, but I have a story that echoes similarly. I was in Walmart about a month ago. A couple in line in front of me let me go ahead because they saw I did not have anything in my hands. I thanked the elderly guy and stated that I was there to buy some Smokey Mountain. We began talking, and he told me that he had quit 20 years but "like a fool started back." He said all it took was just one. He said that he still regrets ever smoking that one cigarette. I told him about KTC and the Smokey Mountain alternative. He encouraged me to stay quit and not to follow his mistake.

Btw, I have not seen you post roll yet. I have been looking for you on roll call. Do you have any intention of posting roll? What is your purpose here?

I see you lurking when a brand new member posts in here. Please tell me that you are not 'sniping' them with PM's of your erroneous psychological quit-method?? If need be I will PM every new member to inquire. Please. If you are going to hang around here, Diesl, Nolaq, CopingwithoutCope, Gmann, Mjollnir, Pinched, and many many others can show you how to quit and remain quit. However, that requires what WastePanel told you the first time you posted in here: "If you are going to play on our playground, then you have to play by our rules" (i.e., post roll and remain nicotine free). I hope you make the right decision.

JW

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

[lbj]

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Excellent post!

credit must be given to my fellow dec 13 brothers for finding the first two articles.

Curt should come visit.

Good read! Thanks for sharing!!! Getting the majors to do the right thing and ban dip would be a step in the right direction and would remove some of the "glamor" smokeless currently has with young people.

Tough times don't last. Tough people do.

That's sad that the first article is in 1998. The second article (when he finally stops) is in 2005. Who knows what's happened in the last so many years? HE HAD HIS WAKEUP CALL 16 YEARS AGO!

Prayers.

Did he quit in 2005? I thought he caved after that, too.

Honestly, outside of these walls...would it surprise you?

His story is nothing new. Hell, do a google search on "Curt Schilling, Chewing Tobacco". You'll find articles galore about how he "kicked the habit" in 1998.

Then, there is nothing.

Then, he "stopped" in spring training 2005.

There is no more press on it until today.

Would it surprise you that he hid it like we did? That he fell to the same demons we see others fall to here because they don't take this seriously? That his body rejected the abuse he subjected it to for years?

Nah...Curt is an addict that hasn't seen the light. Hopefully he will one day, and hopefully the catcher drops the ball here giving him a chance to leg one out to first. But that's just not in his control anymore, is it?

There's a reason we quit, and there's a method to the madness here. We can't forget, and we shouldn't forget.

I found it interesting that the article didn't mention and Curt isn't sharing the type of cancer or his prognosis. Doesn't seem to bode well, but that is all speculation.

The most telling line in the article for me was this

"Joe, I never thought it would happen to me; I always thought it would happen to the other guy," he told Garagiola. "Guess what? I'm the other guy."

Powerful stuff

And now Spock is biting the big one due to tobacco and he quit 30 years ago it says.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/07/showbiz/c ... ?hpt=hp_t2

So he did stop for a few years,took a pinch from a 'friend' @ a golf tournament so I read.
Unleashed the lion, imagine it would be different if he posted here.
I met Curt. A good friend suffered from ALS,dude donated his time,a jersey,signed and met with him as well. Still sends a check towards a scholarship in his name.'It's the hardest thing I've ever done'he said when asked about quiting.
Gents think about the discipline it takes to be a professional athlete,then think about what it takes to give your word. Pretty much a wash don't ya think.Perhaps the press coverage will reach the youngsters,give them pause,open some eyes.Hopefully MLB will ban this shit,and his peers will realize they too are pissing their lives away.Fight the fight Curt,god bless.

[bigwhitebeast]

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Excellent post!

credit must be given to my fellow dec 13 brothers for finding the first two articles.

Curt should come visit.

Good read! Thanks for sharing!!! Getting the majors to do the right thing and ban dip would be a step in the right direction and would remove some of the "glamor" smokeless currently has with young people.

Tough times don't last. Tough people do.

That's sad that the first article is in 1998. The second article (when he finally stops) is in 2005. Who knows what's happened in the last so many years? HE HAD HIS WAKEUP CALL 16 YEARS AGO!

Prayers.

Did he quit in 2005? I thought he caved after that, too.

Honestly, outside of these walls...would it surprise you?

His story is nothing new. Hell, do a google search on "Curt Schilling, Chewing Tobacco". You'll find articles galore about how he "kicked the habit" in 1998.

Then, there is nothing.

Then, he "stopped" in spring training 2005.

There is no more press on it until today.

Would it surprise you that he hid it like we did? That he fell to the same demons we see others fall to here because they don't take this seriously? That his body rejected the abuse he subjected it to for years?

Nah...Curt is an addict that hasn't seen the light. Hopefully he will one day, and hopefully the catcher drops the ball here giving him a chance to leg one out to first. But that's just not in his control anymore, is it?

There's a reason we quit, and there's a method to the madness here. We can't forget, and we shouldn't forget.

I found it interesting that the article didn't mention and Curt isn't sharing the type of cancer or his prognosis. Doesn't seem to bode well, but that is all speculation.

The most telling line in the article for me was this

"Joe, I never thought it would happen to me; I always thought it would happen to the other guy," he told Garagiola. "Guess what? I'm the other guy."

Powerful stuff

And now Spock is biting the big one due to tobacco and he quit 30 years ago it says.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/07/showbiz/c ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[JayDubya]

Wow.  I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK.  I hope he finds his way to freedom.  I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

I know a guy, "Joe" who started smoking in high school. At age 35 he quit cold turkey.

Fast forward SEVEN years. He was at a 4th of July party watching people set off fireworks. His brother was head of pyrotechnics and was lighting them with his cigarette. He had to take a piss, much to the dismay of the kids on hand. So rather than pausing the show Uncle Joe grabbed the cigarette and continued with the show.

He lit a rocket, put the cigarette in his mouth and ran away while the firework went skyward.

As he was innoctly running away he took a drag of the cigarette and ended up smoking the whole thing.

That night on his way home from the party he stopped and bought a pack.

He has smoked one to two packs a day since. He was 42 then and is 53 now.

He said it was the biggest mistake of his life, but says he has not had the motivation to quit again.His exact quote..."ahhhh fuck, I know I need to quit that shit again but it's so Fucking hard. I wish I never put that son of a bitch in my mouth. Oh well, fuck it. We all gotta die of something".

I wonder where this leaves your theory?. Maybe if he had waited TEN years he could have had a puff of that cigarette and been ok?

Dude...your theory blows and we see the law of addiction proven over and over again.

We are here to QUIT...FOR GOOD.

Not so someday (which nobody knows when) we can have a dip again.

That's just Fucking stupid and addict logic at it's finest.

The ktc train will roll on with or without you.

Quit on...

Nsterk,

I'm not trying to out-do Diesel, but I have a story that echoes similarly. I was in Walmart about a month ago. A couple in line in front of me let me go ahead because they saw I did not have anything in my hands. I thanked the elderly guy and stated that I was there to buy some Smokey Mountain. We began talking, and he told me that he had quit 20 years but "like a fool started back." He said all it took was just one. He said that he still regrets ever smoking that one cigarette. I told him about KTC and the Smokey Mountain alternative. He encouraged me to stay quit and not to follow his mistake.

Btw, I have not seen you post roll yet. I have been looking for you on roll call. Do you have any intention of posting roll? What is your purpose here?

I see you lurking when a brand new member posts in here. Please tell me that you are not 'sniping' them with PM's of your erroneous psychological quit-method?? If need be I will PM every new member to inquire. Please. If you are going to hang around here, Diesl, Nolaq, CopingwithoutCope, Gmann, Mjollnir, Pinched, and many many others can show you how to quit and remain quit. However, that requires what WastePanel told you the first time you posted in here: "If you are going to play on our playground, then you have to play by our rules" (i.e., post roll and remain nicotine free). I hope you make the right decision.

JW

[Diesel2112]

Wow.  I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK.  I hope he finds his way to freedom.  I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

I know a guy, "Joe" who started smoking in high school. At age 35 he quit cold turkey.

Fast forward SEVEN years. He was at a 4th of July party watching people set off fireworks. His brother was head of pyrotechnics and was lighting them with his cigarette. He had to take a piss, much to the dismay of the kids on hand. So rather than pausing the show Uncle Joe grabbed the cigarette and continued with the show.

He lit a rocket, put the cigarette in his mouth and ran away while the firework went skyward.

As he was innoctly running away he took a drag of the cigarette and ended up smoking the whole thing.

That night on his way home from the party he stopped and bought a pack.

He has smoked one to two packs a day since. He was 42 then and is 53 now.

He said it was the biggest mistake of his life, but says he has not had the motivation to quit again.His exact quote..."ahhhh fuck, I know I need to quit that shit again but it's so Fucking hard. I wish I never put that son of a bitch in my mouth. Oh well, fuck it. We all gotta die of something".

I wonder where this leaves your theory?. Maybe if he had waited TEN years he could have had a puff of that cigarette and been ok?

Dude...your theory blows and we see the law of addiction proven over and over again.

We are here to QUIT...FOR GOOD.

Not so someday (which nobody knows when) we can have a dip again.

That's just Fucking stupid and addict logic at it's finest.

The ktc train will roll on with or without you.

Quit on...

[nsterken]

I think folks here are just trying to help you out, nster. Our view comes from experience and the neurological make up of our brains. To come to grips with the concept of never having "just one" is one of the most difficult hurdles to overcome on ones quit journey. I think Philip Seymour Hoffman's three little kids might agree. It was pointed out just yesterday how Curt Schilling has struggled with the concept since the late 90's. Your position has been proven false repeatedly which is the reasoning behind the negativity you've encountered. Your point of view kills people, KTC saves lives. What's it going to be?

I understand and thank you sincerely.

My skull has become jelly red mush from banging it so hard against the brick wall so I can't continue to do it: if people cannot understand the words I write, then I should probably resign my career as a freelance writer and go bag groceries.

If you were to reread my posts, I do not give any kind of arguments that ppl like Hoffman would NOT see their death with just 'one more'. Quite the opposite. I do not think that anyone still struggling with an addiction should ever dare to take just 'one more'. And I agree, that will always lead to failure.

The main point I was making is that I, PERSONALLY (meaning you do not have to agree) is that being an addict is actually a title we give ourselves and embrace: it's an identity. It is why addicts can never have 'just one'. Because they have embraced the identity of BEING an addict.

I, as a Christian, believe that I am not an addict. I believe I am a sinner who has been redeemed with the blood my Savior shed for me on a cross. I believe Him when he says that what I believe will be. I believe if I tell myself I am an addict, then I am an addict, and that is a person who is indeed without hope of ever being completely 'cured', as you folks have asserted that you believe. I believe I am a human, a man, created by God, who has struggled through several different addictions, addictive and destructive behaviors and attitudes and other deadly perils.

I believe that Chirst when He says that anything is possible for God. So I believe that when you folks declare being cured from an addiction, or outgrowing is an addiction, is impossible, that that is not always true. I believe it is possible. I believe it is in God's hands, but if we do not believe it is possible, it will never come to be.

Let it be known, then, we believe different things and that is perfectly okay. It is still legal and a good thing for me to quite chewing tobacco, a deadly and cancerous addictive substance, if I so choose. Simply because I do not agree with your philosophy does not mean I should continue using tobacco. It also does not mean that I will end up using tobacco again simply because I do not embrace an identity that declares me to be an addict.

It also does not mean that I should not be allowed to post roll if I so choose, which moderators continue to delete: let it be known that I have and that it is never approved. Obviously, my posting to roll is not to gain support from your community (which has shown me nothing but contempt) but more an accountability display and stating honestly and publicly that I have not used tobacco for 31 days DESPITE not embracing an identity as an addict. I understand this would mean more after 5 years and not 31 days but, alas, I am not in control of the space time continuum.

And for the final record: if an individual has embraced an identity as an addict, then they should NEVER try and take just 'one more'. I thought that was pretty clear in my posts but apparently, it was not.

Good day, gentlemen.

[Nolaq]

Wow.  I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK.  I hope he finds his way to freedom.  I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

I think folks here are just trying to help you out, nster. Our view comes from experience and the neurological make up of our brains. To come to grips with the concept of never having "just one" is one of the most difficult hurdles to overcome on ones quit journey. I think Philip Seymour Hoffman's three little kids might agree. It was pointed out just yesterday how Curt Schilling has struggled with the concept since the late 90's. Your position has been proven false repeatedly which is the reasoning behind the negativity you've encountered. Your point of view kills people, KTC saves lives. What's it going to be?

What ^^^ he said.

Drink the Kool Aid.

[copingwithoutcopen]

Wow.  I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK.  I hope he finds his way to freedom.  I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

I think folks here are just trying to help you out, nster. Our view comes from experience and the neurological make up of our brains. To come to grips with the concept of never having "just one" is one of the most difficult hurdles to overcome on ones quit journey. I think Philip Seymour Hoffman's three little kids might agree. It was pointed out just yesterday how Curt Schilling has struggled with the concept since the late 90's. Your position has been proven false repeatedly which is the reasoning behind the negativity you've encountered. Your point of view kills people, KTC saves lives. What's it going to be?

[nsterken]

Wow. I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK. I hope he finds his way to freedom. I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

For what it's worth, I guess I'll thank you for the well wishes and general good will.

And also for not trying to make me feel subhuman simply because I don't share the same point of view as you.

[Its_Got2Happen]

I get a kick out of guts like nsk.

They have it figured out, or so they think. . He talks himself in circles and is full of speculation and one man theories. He has no idea what lies ahead, but many here do.

While this is a unique addiction, the commonalities amongst quitters is astonishing, and they are REAL. They don't come about because you read "what to expect when you quit". There is no osmosis going on here, ktc or no ktc the struggles and feelings one experiences when they quit would be the same. This isn't a cult of made up stories. It's a brotherhood of people trying to help others cope by providing support and sharing real life experiences.

As for his theory that "one day" we will be cured...It doesnt register with me. The only thing I'm focused on is TODAY, because that's all I, and anyone else, can control.

Quit on....

Wow. I feel like I am reading my own thoughts when I read this guys posts, NSK. I hope he finds his way to freedom. I hope that his misconceptions are remedied.

[mattyf118]

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Excellent post!

credit must be given to my fellow dec 13 brothers for finding the first two articles.

Curt should come visit.

Good read! Thanks for sharing!!! Getting the majors to do the right thing and ban dip would be a step in the right direction and would remove some of the "glamor" smokeless currently has with young people.

Tough times don't last. Tough people do.

That's sad that the first article is in 1998. The second article (when he finally stops) is in 2005. Who knows what's happened in the last so many years? HE HAD HIS WAKEUP CALL 16 YEARS AGO!

Prayers.

Did he quit in 2005? I thought he caved after that, too.

Honestly, outside of these walls...would it surprise you?

His story is nothing new. Hell, do a google search on "Curt Schilling, Chewing Tobacco". You'll find articles galore about how he "kicked the habit" in 1998.

Then, there is nothing.

Then, he "stopped" in spring training 2005.

There is no more press on it until today.

Would it surprise you that he hid it like we did? That he fell to the same demons we see others fall to here because they don't take this seriously? That his body rejected the abuse he subjected it to for years?

Nah...Curt is an addict that hasn't seen the light. Hopefully he will one day, and hopefully the catcher drops the ball here giving him a chance to leg one out to first. But that's just not in his control anymore, is it?

There's a reason we quit, and there's a method to the madness here. We can't forget, and we shouldn't forget.

I found it interesting that the article didn't mention and Curt isn't sharing the type of cancer or his prognosis. Doesn't seem to bode well, but that is all speculation.

The most telling line in the article for me was this

"Joe, I never thought it would happen to me; I always thought it would happen to the other guy," he told Garagiola. "Guess what? I'm the other guy."

Powerful stuff

[Nolaq]

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Excellent post!

credit must be given to my fellow dec 13 brothers for finding the first two articles.

Curt should come visit.

Good read! Thanks for sharing!!! Getting the majors to do the right thing and ban dip would be a step in the right direction and would remove some of the "glamor" smokeless currently has with young people.

Tough times don't last. Tough people do.

That's sad that the first article is in 1998. The second article (when he finally stops) is in 2005. Who knows what's happened in the last so many years? HE HAD HIS WAKEUP CALL 16 YEARS AGO!

Prayers.

Did he quit in 2005? I thought he caved after that, too.

Honestly, outside of these walls...would it surprise you?

His story is nothing new. Hell, do a google search on "Curt Schilling, Chewing Tobacco". You'll find articles galore about how he "kicked the habit" in 1998.

Then, there is nothing.

Then, he "stopped" in spring training 2005.

There is no more press on it until today.

Would it surprise you that he hid it like we did? That he fell to the same demons we see others fall to here because they don't take this seriously? That his body rejected the abuse he subjected it to for years?

Nah...Curt is an addict that hasn't seen the light. Hopefully he will one day, and hopefully the catcher drops the ball here giving him a chance to leg one out to first. But that's just not in his control anymore, is it?

There's a reason we quit, and there's a method to the madness here. We can't forget, and we shouldn't forget.

Truth ^^^^ right there.

What ever happened to Tony Gwynn?