It's been over 3 days now since I quit. The fog mostly went away today. I've been hitting the gym, eating alot and pounding water, lol. I don't plan on ever going back to dip. The last time I "quit" was in 2010. But I only quit because I was forced to during marine corps boot camp. I know this is a nicotine free thing, but just a general question.. would using a nicotine gum make the fog come back? My roommate has some of the gum he offered me and I said no.. but thinking about having nicotine without the dip seems kind of nice lol. Would it fuck everything up?
Yes it would. Don't exchange one form of nicotine for another. You are addicted to nicotine (as am I and everyone else here) and to break that addiction you must quit using it, cold turkey. Using nicotine gum instead of dip is like an alcoholic using beer to get off liquor. Don't do it.
I have to politely disagree with that analogy. In the case of an alcoholic, the alcohol is what is causing the harm. In the case of a chewing addict, the nicotine is not causing the harm in iteself, the tobacco is. Remove the tobacco and the harm is reduced by 90% or more. I'm fully aware this is nicotine-free forum and that any form of nicotine use is not tolerated and I respect that. However, I think there is opportunity for an open and honest discussion about nicotine in itself, removed completely from the tobacco leaf as a delivery method, and how the use of particular tobacco free nicotine alternatives can contribute to the process of quitting tobacco use. I'll likely be banned from the site for expressing this view, but I think it's a valid discussion.
Phole, do you agree nicotine is addictive? And if you are a recovering addict and trying to quit this addiction why would you let that door open?
For me to even crack that door would is a risk that I am not willing to take to going back stuffing my face with Cope.
Phole; why are you here? to try to make yourself feel better?
So let me get this straight.
The actual nicotine, the thing that is addictive, is not the issue. It is the delivery method.
Did I get that right?
So would you suggest that an alcoholic who only drinks beer can switch to wine and be ok? Or whiskey? Because that's really just a delivery method as well.
Look, the addictive substance is what we are fighting against. If you nicotine from gum or lozenges, you are merely delaying the inevitable withdrawals that are a result of nicotine leaving your system...not tobacco.
There is no room on the board for NRT or vaping or anything else that provides nicotine in your system. It is not a valid discussion because you are simply suggesting that nicotine is not the issue. It is what we fight against.
The actual nicotine, the thing that is addictive, is not the issue. It is the delivery method. Did I get that right? Nicotine is addictive, yes. The delivery system, tobacco, is what kills you.
So would you suggest that an alcoholic who only drinks beer can switch to wine and be ok? Or whiskey? Because that's really just a delivery method as well. No, the alcohol in your analogy is the tobacco. I'm advocating removing the tobacco (the alcohol in your analogy) from the nicotine. Nicotine doesn't kill you. Tobacco does.
Look, the addictive substance is what we are fighting against. If you nicotine from gum or lozenges, you are merely delaying the inevitable withdrawals that are a result of nicotine leaving your system...not tobacco. But it's the tobacco that you are trying to rid yourself of. What if you could have nicotine without tobacco and suffer no harmful, long-term effects? We as a society are so against smoking and tobacco use that nicotine is getting a bad rap. It actually has some benefits like caffeine does if separated from tobacco. And, and I realize I'm going out on a limb here, but the use of nicotine in the absence of tobacco alkaloids has a much different response on the brain that when nicotine is paired with tobacco. This is really new science and doesn't have a lot of based research, but it's slowly happening.
There is no room on the board for NRT or vaping or anything else that provides nicotine in your system. It is not a valid discussion because you are simply suggesting that nicotine is not the issue. It is what we fight against. I know it is, thus why I am posing a counterpoint viewpoint.
This isn't the place for you Pot. KTC = no nicotine. At all. In any form. Ever. It's ok that you don't agree with it, it's not for everybody. Nicotine CAN kill you regardless of the delivery method. Do you really get something out of vaping, or the patch, or the anal suppositories, or is that your addict mind telling you whatever it can to keep you addicted?
I haven't had nicotine in 576 days and I am in control of my addiction. Call me outdated, but call me quit.
Mucho respect for the 576 days, that's beyond awesome. I'm working my way towards nicotine free and and confident I'll be able to see 576 days of no nic bitch as well. My quit date and first roll post here will be a bit later as I work my way down on the nic consumption. I quit chewing tobacco last Tuesday, 2/1 and have since used those ZYN NT 6mg pouches (no tobacco, food grade nicotine). Normally I would have consumed 3 cans of Cope by now which is about 450 mg of nic (150 mg per can). Using this ZYN, I've had 2 cans since Tuesday and have consumed 180 mg of nic total. Figure I'll roll with the 6mg strength for a couple weeks, drop down to the 3mg for a couple weeks and be ready to post up on March 1st. I have to say, it sure has been nice not having that crap in my mouth this week. Thanks for the discussion and I'll be back in a month as I slowly detox in a way that works for me. Thank you.
Wish you luck.
Brother at 539 days I can say cold turkey is the only way to go. Dump all that hokey slow weeny nonsense and dive in. Post roll. You're just delaying the inevitable. Sack up and join this awesome quit machine
And let's watch to see if March 1 ever rolls in...because quite frankly, future Quit dates are never kept.
Look, we fight nicotine here, If that is not your cup of tea, then I suggest you find a place that allows vaping or lozenges or other NRT. You will never get nicotine, the ingredient that is keeping you a slave, out of your life until you Quit cold turkey. You are just prolonging your long road of suffering.
But whatever...you've got this figured out. This weekend we had a small gathering of guys who are committed to their Quits and to the Brotherhood we offer. They have 98 years of Quit combined. And they all did it cold turkey, and theya re all fighting nicotine, not just tobacco.
But hey, if you've got this, good luck.
