General Discussion - 2017

[sfurze76]

How does HOF work? Where does the train conductor come from?

Hall of Fame is when someone has reached 100 days quit. It's a significant milestone and considered the "End of the Beginning." It's really just another day, but we recognize it at KTC because it's a goal that new quitters can wrap their minds around.

Conductors come about when two people love each other very much, decide that they'd like to bring a baby into the world and make passionate, unprotected love. About 9 months later, a baby Conductor pops out and begins life. At some point that baby becomes and adolescent/ young adult/ adult and decides to start dipping. It's a stupid fucking decision, but you don't get to be Conductor without making a series of stupid life decisions. At some other point, our Conductor to be, actually makes a good decision and Quits. He or she kicks ass and stays quit, while also being active and giving back to other quitters in the KTC community. After our predestined Conductor reaches HOF, his/ her own Conductors will select him/ her, and one other from that HOF month, to drive the HOF train for the next group (one month removed). So August Conductors will lead in October and then select two Quitters from October to lead December.

It's one of nature's beautiful, unbroken cycles of life.

So 2 of us from sept will be conductors for nov and we as a group decide which 2 or can we have more than 2 conductors in sept

[pky1520]

How does HOF work? Where does the train conductor come from?

Hall of Fame is when someone has reached 100 days quit. It's a significant milestone and considered the "End of the Beginning." It's really just another day, but we recognize it at KTC because it's a goal that new quitters can wrap their minds around.

Conductors come about when two people love each other very much, decide that they'd like to bring a baby into the world and make passionate, unprotected love. About 9 months later, a baby Conductor pops out and begins life. At some point that baby becomes and adolescent/ young adult/ adult and decides to start dipping. It's a stupid fucking decision, but you don't get to be Conductor without making a series of stupid life decisions. At some other point, our Conductor to be, actually makes a good decision and Quits. He or she kicks ass and stays quit, while also being active and giving back to other quitters in the KTC community. After our predestined Conductor reaches HOF, his/ her own Conductors will select him/ her, and one other from that HOF month, to drive the HOF train for the next group (one month removed). So August Conductors will lead in October and then select two Quitters from October to lead December.

It's one of nature's beautiful, unbroken cycles of life.

[Drewdrew]

My brain must be really slow this morning because I can't figure out how to reply to a specific post lol but thanks Chewie and pky1520 for the response. Any insight is helpful at this point, here's to things looking up, cheers

Bottom right of the post is a "quote" button, hit that.

I am not sure if it was quit related, but I've gotten ahold of a moderate (so far) case of social anxiety. I have spent most of my life being quiet and listening, now if I'm trapped with other people in social settings I become basically sick. I hear your struggles with that. Where you live is it legal to choke a fool?

[JB2]

My brain must be really slow this morning because I can't figure out how to reply to a specific post lol but thanks Chewie and pky1520 for the response. Any insight is helpful at this point, here's to things looking up, cheers

[sfurze76]

How does HOF work? Where does the train conductor come from?

[chewie]

Alright here's a question for anybody that's listening. I'm 111 days into my quit and this is the first time I'm posting. Been ghosting this site pretty much since the beginning, reading stories, trying to gain some encouragement where I can. Haven't wanted to start again ever since I stopped. Not a damn chance. The side affects however have been putting me through the ringer. I haven't felt like myself in 111 days and I mean every bit of that. Severe depression, severe anxiety, light sensitivity, eye twitch, depersonalization, headaches, trouble completing thoughts, trouble remembering things, sleep disturbances, mood swings, the list goes on and on and on and on. I guess what I'm wondering here is, has anybody else felt this severity of symptoms with no relenting after such a long period of time? I almost can't remember what it feels like to feel normal, I just know that I don't. I'm working with a doctor and a psychiatrist and all that bullshit, so I've got all the professional opinions, but what I want to hear is the opinions of real motherfuckers who know what quitting is like. Part of me suspects maybe there is something more sinister at work and part of me thinks I'm just being a bitch and I need to own up to the shit I put my body through for so long. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks,
JB2

Hard to say without really knowing your situation, but it is extremely common to have strong symptoms well after 100. Many folks find that they really struggle in the 150 range. But it's generally cyclic - lots of ups and downs, generally trending towards better. I started finding a new normal shortly after 100, but it hasn't been till after about a year that the nicotine cravings seemed to disappear altogether.

My guess is that you've actually had some cyclic symptoms as well, but are currently in a down cycle. Maybe you just don't notice it when things are actually going ok, but now that you're struggling again, it seems like it never stopped. One of the side benefits of the way we track our Quit daily here, is having a record of things we struggle with at different times.

It's never to late to join a group here - you'd be August 2017 - those guys would be happy to have you post with them and they'll have some insight into what you're struggling with. Just make sure you're willing to commit to them every day.

One aside is that if you really are experiencing non-stop acute symptoms like you mentioned, it could be something more serious. If you have constant headaches, depression, light sensitivity and cognitive abnormalities, you want to consider a medical opinion. It might be psychosomatic, it might be brain related. I'd encourage you to get a real medical opinion.

Not much to add to what JB2 offered. Some of my worst times (aside from those first few nail biters) were just AFTER I hit the 100 day mark. Brutal... just brutal.

Check out these two pages, and especially the comments on both. You'll see that A) you're definitely not alone and B) it's actually pretty normal to feel shitty even past 100.

What To Expect When You Quit Dipping - https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wh ... t-dipping/

What To Expect – 100 Days and Beyond - https://www.killthecan.org/your-quit/wh ... nd-beyond/

Hang in there man - there's nothing in your past as a dipper that has anything to offer you.

Chewie

[pky1520]

Alright here's a question for anybody that's listening. I'm 111 days into my quit and this is the first time I'm posting. Been ghosting this site pretty much since the beginning, reading stories, trying to gain some encouragement where I can. Haven't wanted to start again ever since I stopped. Not a damn chance. The side affects however have been putting me through the ringer. I haven't felt like myself in 111 days and I mean every bit of that. Severe depression, severe anxiety, light sensitivity, eye twitch, depersonalization, headaches, trouble completing thoughts, trouble remembering things, sleep disturbances, mood swings, the list goes on and on and on and on. I guess what I'm wondering here is, has anybody else felt this severity of symptoms with no relenting after such a long period of time? I almost can't remember what it feels like to feel normal, I just know that I don't. I'm working with a doctor and a psychiatrist and all that bullshit, so I've got all the professional opinions, but what I want to hear is the opinions of real motherfuckers who know what quitting is like. Part of me suspects maybe there is something more sinister at work and part of me thinks I'm just being a bitch and I need to own up to the shit I put my body through for so long. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks,
JB2

Hard to say without really knowing your situation, but it is extremely common to have strong symptoms well after 100. Many folks find that they really struggle in the 150 range. But it's generally cyclic - lots of ups and downs, generally trending towards better. I started finding a new normal shortly after 100, but it hasn't been till after about a year that the nicotine cravings seemed to disappear altogether.

My guess is that you've actually had some cyclic symptoms as well, but are currently in a down cycle. Maybe you just don't notice it when things are actually going ok, but now that you're struggling again, it seems like it never stopped. One of the side benefits of the way we track our Quit daily here, is having a record of things we struggle with at different times.

It's never to late to join a group here - you'd be August 2017 - those guys would be happy to have you post with them and they'll have some insight into what you're struggling with. Just make sure you're willing to commit to them every day.

One aside is that if you really are experiencing non-stop acute symptoms like you mentioned, it could be something more serious. If you have constant headaches, depression, light sensitivity and cognitive abnormalities, you want to consider a medical opinion. It might be psychosomatic, it might be brain related. I'd encourage you to get a real medical opinion.

[Montovon]

So today I'm a general mess from wanting to tell some of the people I work with where to go to flat out crying on the phone with my future wife asking for her to help me out. Read a lot of your stories and instead of swinging by the gas station on my way home like I normally would on a day like this called the dentist to have my teeth cleaned tomorrow instead of work. I've head you all with the after three days it gets easier, but starting to question when I start to feel like myself again. Can't do another day of crying like a child and yelling at coworkers for stupid stuff that actually isn't stupid.

Hey Wyles,

I feel for you buddy. I am currently on Day 6 of my quit. I was a fairly heavy Kodiak Wintergreen user for about 17 years after a neck injury. I wanted to get off the narcotic painkillers, worried about addiction. Go figure..

Anyway, Day 3-4 have been the roughest for me so far from the psychological side. I was really short with both my wife and kids, and ready to snap at an instant. I did read that the reason for it is that Nicotine used to essentially emulate an adrenaline/dopamine rush to the brain. With the nicotine now absent, our brain tries to start fights to give us that same fight or flight rush as it figures out what to do in the absence of nicotine.

Anyway, just keep telling yourself that it is a symptom, it will pass. The last two days (Days 5-6), I have definitely noticed the mood swings starting to wean a little, and even my resting heart rate is decreasing. We can do this together buddy.

[JB2]

Alright here's a question for anybody that's listening. I'm 111 days into my quit and this is the first time I'm posting. Been ghosting this site pretty much since the beginning, reading stories, trying to gain some encouragement where I can. Haven't wanted to start again ever since I stopped. Not a damn chance. The side affects however have been putting me through the ringer. I haven't felt like myself in 111 days and I mean every bit of that. Severe depression, severe anxiety, light sensitivity, eye twitch, depersonalization, headaches, trouble completing thoughts, trouble remembering things, sleep disturbances, mood swings, the list goes on and on and on and on. I guess what I'm wondering here is, has anybody else felt this severity of symptoms with no relenting after such a long period of time? I almost can't remember what it feels like to feel normal, I just know that I don't. I'm working with a doctor and a psychiatrist and all that bullshit, so I've got all the professional opinions, but what I want to hear is the opinions of real motherfuckers who know what quitting is like. Part of me suspects maybe there is something more sinister at work and part of me thinks I'm just being a bitch and I need to own up to the shit I put my body through for so long. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks,
JB2

[Stranger999]

Wyles, thats what WE are here for. Come here, get in your quit group and unload.... RAGE is GOOD for you at this point in your quit!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will see, it gets better quick. Dont give up now! This is a critical time.

This is the Nicotine trying to trick you into going back to your slave ways. DONT DO IT

You can do this man!!! PM me if you need anything.

No one ever regrets quitting nicotine - no one.

You will never hear someone say that they miss dipping or smoking. Use the tools here and you can succeed, one day at a time. It takes time but life gets better after we cut the chains.

[JB65]

Wyles, thats what WE are here for. Come here, get in your quit group and unload.... RAGE is GOOD for you at this point in your quit!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will see, it gets better quick. Dont give up now! This is a critical time.

This is the Nicotine trying to trick you into going back to your slave ways. DONT DO IT

You can do this man!!! PM me if you need anything.

[69franx]

So today I'm a general mess from wanting to tell some of the people I work with where to go to flat out crying on the phone with my future wife asking for her to help me out. Read a lot of your stories and instead of swinging by the gas station on my way home like I normally would on a day like this called the dentist to have my teeth cleaned tomorrow instead of work. I've head you all with the after three days it gets easier, but starting to question when I start to feel like myself again. Can't do another day of crying like a child and yelling at coworkers for stupid stuff that actually isn't stupid.

Wyles, the nicotine will be gone from your body after 3 days without use, but the mental and psychological dependency is tough to get through. It takes a different amount of time for different people just depending on your situation. If you want to quit, and it sounds like you do, get in here daily and join the December 2017 Pre-HOF group. That will be your home group to post your promise not to use daily in. The process for quitting sounds simple: POst your promise not to use nicotine every day, and then simply keep your promise. Its only as hard as you make it. A good habit to follow is WUPP: Wake Up Piss Post. If you are used to grabbing a dip as soon as you wake up , replace that with making your promise. PM me if you need a hand or someone to have your back during a crave. You have made the right choice to come here if you want to quit

[Wyles]

So today I'm a general mess from wanting to tell some of the people I work with where to go to flat out crying on the phone with my future wife asking for her to help me out. Read a lot of your stories and instead of swinging by the gas station on my way home like I normally would on a day like this called the dentist to have my teeth cleaned tomorrow instead of work. I've head you all with the after three days it gets easier, but starting to question when I start to feel like myself again. Can't do another day of crying like a child and yelling at coworkers for stupid stuff that actually isn't stupid.

[c_mac]

Hi guys, I'm about 10 days in and it has been rough. I get anxious or irritable a lot. But failure is not an option, I literally moved to another country where you can't even buy the stuff!

10 days in? You are doing fantastic! Find your quit group and post with them. You are well on your way my friend. Message me if you need help.

[69franx]

Hey guysÂ…new here and have a question. On day 2 and i had ordered some hooch and herd to help. I really liked the way herd packed better but that smell was awful. Ive seen a couple reviews saying it smelled good and one saying it smelled bad. Did I just get a bad few cans? Thanks for the help.

Don't have an answer for you Dave. I have been using Smokey Mountain Snuff and can't really say it smells good either. SOmebody that has used the hooch will pop in with some feedback soon I would think