Almost there... Quit Date Dec 31st 2013

[wastepanel]

After consideration among the admins, by majority vote, the decision is to ban neon panther from our site. As always, this decision is not taken lightly and is done as a last resort.

Anyone that has figured out HOW to post roll has also been informed via reading, chat or pm, WHY we post roll and what it represents. The intentional continuation of adding days to a roll call while using is an absolute atrocity and is malicious in nature to the chief cornerstone upon which this site has been built. If there is a single offense that would warrant banning.....this is it.

A re-hashment of prior decisions is not warranted nor desired. As a group, the admins have never taken banishment lightly and have always made the best decisions possible as carried by the majority in each individual instance.

[apogeeammo]

'help' WHERE THE HELL IS THIS BOOBIE SECTION?!?!

I'VE LOOKED EVERYWHERE AND HAVEN'T FOUND IT!

[Evil_Won]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

There's a boobie section?

and yes Lipizzaner...that's a crave and they are hard and most people can't quit...

Who's making you read NP's intro?

I won't read it anymore. But let me re-phrase my last post then.
Stop fucking moaning about his lying and wear it, or kick him off the site. Sitting around debating it is making you all look like cunts.

Look Rooky (Lippi) gonna let that one slide and chalk it up as you are rewiring and you didn't mean to make a generalized statement like anyone who posts in this thread is a cunt. Not kewl man not at all.

We have passion for this site and we want to maintain its integrity. Yes everyone has an opinion and yes anyone who wants to support NP can. I don't think anyone has really called anyone names in this debate. We all deal with our quit in our own ways. My bottom line is posting while using that is all we have here is our word. A cave I can get past although they sting I can move on with it and them. Look at who I support some have caved some have not. The cave is not the issue its using while posting that you are clean.

Like I have stated earlier my people have to believe that my days are real just like I have to believe that my corner men that I have surrounded myself with that their days are real also. Like SRANS said we can disagree on if we support NP but they will always be my corner men and I will always be theirs. I can also assure you these men are not CUNTS.

I gave an opinion that I think this thread is destructive, and got two replies from guys who tried to step on me like "why do you care" "go somewhere else". Well fuck that, those are the guys I was calling cunts. I like to use strong language when I am pissed off. I am pissed off all the time now.
So kick me off if I hurt your ears.

There is no need to appologize for a personal feeling or view. I feel that hate and rage will take you much further in this fight than worrying about others' feelings. This quit is about you. Do what you need to protect it. If that is calling out bullshit when you see it, fine. If that means calling out injustice, fine. If anyone is thin-skinned and hurt by something they read here, they should complete a: Hurt Feeling Report.

[Minny]

CRIPES. Are we seriously going to drag these things on for this long? What else is there to be said that hasn't been said already? PLEASE let this thread die. Yes, I agree with "take what you need, leave the rest" but we don't need this noise to go on, and on, and on, and on.

Neon: head down, post roll everyday, and stay quit. If you really want to get your shit together, you've come to the right place. Otherwise, take a hike.

Everyone else: with all due respect, and there is a lot due, your energy is so much better spent somewhere else.

[Lipizzaner]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

There's a boobie section?

and yes Lipizzaner...that's a crave and they are hard and most people can't quit...

Who's making you read NP's intro?

I won't read it anymore. But let me re-phrase my last post then.
Stop fucking moaning about his lying and wear it, or kick him off the site. Sitting around debating it is making you all look like cunts.

Look Rooky (Lippi) gonna let that one slide and chalk it up as you are rewiring and you didn't mean to make a generalized statement like anyone who posts in this thread is a cunt. Not kewl man not at all.

We have passion for this site and we want to maintain its integrity. Yes everyone has an opinion and yes anyone who wants to support NP can. I don't think anyone has really called anyone names in this debate. We all deal with our quit in our own ways. My bottom line is posting while using that is all we have here is our word. A cave I can get past although they sting I can move on with it and them. Look at who I support some have caved some have not. The cave is not the issue its using while posting that you are clean.

Like I have stated earlier my people have to believe that my days are real just like I have to believe that my corner men that I have surrounded myself with that their days are real also. Like SRANS said we can disagree on if we support NP but they will always be my corner men and I will always be theirs. I can also assure you these men are not CUNTS.

I gave an opinion that I think this thread is destructive, and got two replies from guys who tried to step on me like "why do you care" "go somewhere else". Well fuck that, those are the guys I was calling cunts. I like to use strong language when I am pissed off. I am pissed off all the time now.
So kick me off if I hurt your ears.

[traumagnet]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

There's a boobie section?

and yes Lipizzaner...that's a crave and they are hard and most people can't quit...

Who's making you read NP's intro?

I won't read it anymore. But let me re-phrase my last post then.
Stop fucking moaning about his lying and wear it, or kick him off the site. Sitting around debating it is making you all look like cunts.

Look Rooky (Lippi) gonna let that one slide and chalk it up as you are rewiring and you didn't mean to make a generalized statement like anyone who posts in this thread is a cunt. Not kewl man not at all.

We have passion for this site and we want to maintain its integrity. Yes everyone has an opinion and yes anyone who wants to support NP can. I don't think anyone has really called anyone names in this debate. We all deal with our quit in our own ways. My bottom line is posting while using that is all we have here is our word. A cave I can get past although they sting I can move on with it and them. Look at who I support some have caved some have not. The cave is not the issue its using while posting that you are clean.

Like I have stated earlier my people have to believe that my days are real just like I have to believe that my corner men that I have surrounded myself with that their days are real also. Like SRANS said we can disagree on if we support NP but they will always be my corner men and I will always be theirs. I can also assure you these men are not CUNTS.

[Lipizzaner]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

There's a boobie section?

and yes Lipizzaner...that's a crave and they are hard and most people can't quit...

Who's making you read NP's intro?

I won't read it anymore. But let me re-phrase my last post then.
Stop fucking moaning about his lying and wear it, or kick him off the site. Sitting around debating it is making you all look like cunts.

[ParadigmDawg]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

There's a boobie section?

and yes Lipizzaner...that's a crave and they are hard and most people can't quit...

Who's making you read NP's intro?

[duathman]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

Like the saying goes, "Take what you need, leave the rest." or something like that. Don't read the intros if they bother you go look at boobies in the boobie sections. Look around.

[Lipizzaner]

I am very new to this site, and probably don't know shit.
What I do know is that when you join this site everyone says to read everything you can on the site.
Unfortunately, I have been reading this horrible fucking thread for several days.
It has been very destructive to my morale, and for the last couple days I have not just been having craves, I have been thinking about going to the chew store, how to pull it off, when I can chew without getting caught, how I can control it, how I will get away with it, all fucking day.
Is that what you guys consider craves? If that is a crave, then I am never going to make it. Its more like a fantasy than a crave.
Anyway, I wasn't feeling that in the first couple days, and I tend to believe it is because of this thread.
My two cents is shut the fuck up about neonpanther, delete this thread, and either kick him off the site or leave him the fuck alone.

[ParadigmDawg]

Isn't there a story about throwing the first stone?

I forgive NP and he has my full support. If he is banned, I will still talk to him and support him as much as he needs. If he stays on I will do the same.

We have a couple that we are friends with and the husband cheated in their marriage. He came clean, got the skeletons out of the closet and through a lot of work, they have the strongest and most loving marriage I have ever seen. I am uncertain if I could ever forgive my wife of this but it did open my eyes to what forgiveness can do.

Aaron, I fully forgive you and I quit with you.

Greg

[Mthomas3824]

Grace.
It's precious, man.
It is a profoundly undeserved gift.
I think you have been given some.

You'll never earn it or be able to pay it back BUT... You can work to be worthy of the sacrifice grace is.
Be worth it.

Applejack that is gold. I like what you posted.

[Its_Got2Happen]

I hear what you are saying JB and Catty.

But there is something to be said for repentance. In my opinion, it is Panther's contrite attitude that makes the offense forgivable. If he came in barking like Enraged Thor after a cave, and saying,"well I am right, blah, blah, and it really wasn't a cave because blah, blah, " that would be different.


There is no doubt that what NP did was downright horrible. If I did anything like that I would not dare return to the site. You wouldn't have to kick me out. As I have said to many, even in the event that I caved, I would be gone. You wouldn't hear an admission or an apology. Nope, nothing. Poof, I would vanish. This is my last quit, this is my only quit.

I do not know the circumstances surrounding Paddymac. I must have tuned that one out?? But I do know and place great value on the power of forgiveness. As Worktowin said, glad it is not my call here.

Lastly, whatever is decided, life will go on, KTC will go on. There is drama surrounding ever cave story and every retread. Some more than others. Whatever the mods decide, there will be those that are against it, and those that are in favor. Regardless, I am here to quit, and quit I will remain. NeonPanther or no NeonPanther. If there are consequences to his actions, so be it. He will have to life with those.

[B-loMatt]

I have been reading this thread for the last few days but have thus far not put my 2 cents on a post as I felt there were plenty of people posting away. Now however, I think the drama is getting a bit overblown. I will not defend NP posting roll after caving, it is unacceptable, but none of us would have been the wiser if NP had not come clean. NP very easily could have changed the dates and said he caved leaving out the bit about lying and posting roll while using, he didn't. If NP felt bad enough to come clean and want to quit for real, is it right to cut him off from the lifeboat that is KTC? Ultimately we must all quit for ourselves and own our own quits, so someone else caving or lying about being quit should not effect ones quit in a negative way. Yes posting roll is the cornerstone of KTC, but if I found out everyone here was pulling a NP lie, though I would be crushed my quit would still come down to my personal integrity and honor. I would still be the only one who could choose if I would be quit or a slave. I understand the negative feelings when a fellow KTC member lets one down, but I also know I have had stoppages in the past only to fall into the trap again. I know I am not the only one to have dip dreams where I rationalize lying and +1ing in my dream...

No easy answers here, but in the big picture I WOULD NOT WANT TO REFUSE HELP TO ANYONE SUFFERING WITH THIS ADDICTION. Owning up to the cave and the lies is proof enough that NP wants to be quit, and wants to be part of the KTC community. Maybe someone should offer to pay for travel costs so they can look him in the eye when he says he wants to be quit...

[jbradley]

Why is there so much discussion about this issue? Neon posted roll while he was dipping.

* (Concerning Paddymac) For the first two or three days, one would have thought he assassinated a head of state from the reactions and name calling that were posted.

* Precedent was set and banishment from the site was punishment of the day.

* It seems to me that what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. That is all I have to say on this matter, so let the cards fall where they mayÂ…and have a good, quit Sunday!

X100 Hope you don't mind I highlighted my exact thoughts on this subject.

I will also add that while NP was posting roll while using, I was having nightmares about using and posting roll. In this thread, I have not seen any of the passion that KTC prides itself on. This site has its roots as QSX, the X stands for EXTREME. This thread reeks of lite and way too many here are willing to accept the fact that NP not only caved, but lied over and over by continuing to post roll while using. They are willing to pat him on the ass and say that it's ok, you will quit next time. FUCK THAT! IMHO, this would be different if it was a simple cave. This is not that situation. 7 days worth of lying and deception to a bunch of strangers on the internet. All we have is our word here. A cave certainly tarnishes our word, but lying for days obliterates any chance you can be trusted again. I certainly hope that you quit. I really do. It just can not be here.

This one incident has literally rocked my view of KTC. I was going to stop posting roll because it is obvious that with the nonchalant attitude that has been shown here, roll was not sacred to many anymore.

I used my tools, I reached out to my contacts and talked to several quitters that I respect highly. I was also contacted by many quitters (mostly Jackwagins but many were not) across the site. They all of course told me the same thing and I have had to change the way I look at things a bit. I am not going to get into that here, that is for a different thread....

I will gladly go into battle with anyone that is willing to battle everyday. I also have to trust that you are clean when you say you are clean. You have taken that option off the table for me.