I guess I'll do an intro

[Doc Chewfree]

I have been following your quit and your thread. We have spoken in chat a few times. I know you are a young college Missouri boy and feel like I know what you are like. I would like to give you some advice because I was where you are long ago. The main difference is that you can still quit while you are young, unlike me.
I'm sure you have heard that fewer than 3% of young quitters make it. The reason for that I think is that quitting takes a level of maturity that only comes with father time. I don't mean that as a slam. Hell I envy your youth...but youth is wasted on the young. I, too, ran the bars when I was your age and got black out drunk. Smart...no. Fun...hell yes (I think). Conducive to quitting an addiction...absolutely not.
My advice to you is to realize your immaturity on some levels and not put yourself in a position to cave until you are far enough along in your quit to handle it. At the same time, realize that you are way more mature than most of us, including me, when we were your age because you are here trying like hell to quit.
I think you are for real and sincere about your quit but do stupid shit that most men your age do. If you want to succeed with your quit, you have to control the variables. Learn your lesson from your cave and go on. 3% means 3 out of every 100 make it. There's no reason you can't be one of the three.
Keep your word and I will stand with you.
QLF EDD NAFAR!

Doc-I'm quit right now

[Derk40]

Get your shit together bro..

Working on it.

Tls - I'm glad you came back. I don't admire your cave, but I do admire you coming back and facing your demons. You are accountable to the brotherhood - our successes are all linked together. Caves by ktc members are always a result of not buying into the brotherhood and not being a man of integrity.

Quitting isn't for the weak. Being a slave - thst is for the weak! You have my support, but it comes with a price. The price is thst you commit to contact me before any nicotine hits your body. We can talk through the situation and make a rational decision, but I need your word in order to support you. Let me know if you accept the challenge.

Going forward, I will call every fucking KTC number at 3 in the damn morning if I have to. I will absolutely make sure you are the first however. Maybe I'll even give you an address and you can drive down and billy club the stupid out of me.

Just stay quit bro. Don't put the shit in your mouth. Its not something to play with. Its not funny, and its not a game. This is your quit, no matter the amount of numbers you have, it all boils down to that moment. Dip or no dip, its your decision. Just don't let this be a waste of anyones time.

You are young and still trying to figure yourself out. If you are up at 3 in the morning, then you are putting yourself in a risky position for your quit.

Develop your quit plan. I suggest that you include a plan for alcohol intake as well. That has not helped your quit thus far.

[Winter Green]

Get your shit together bro..

Working on it.

Tls - I'm glad you came back. I don't admire your cave, but I do admire you coming back and facing your demons. You are accountable to the brotherhood - our successes are all linked together. Caves by ktc members are always a result of not buying into the brotherhood and not being a man of integrity.

Quitting isn't for the weak. Being a slave - thst is for the weak! You have my support, but it comes with a price. The price is thst you commit to contact me before any nicotine hits your body. We can talk through the situation and make a rational decision, but I need your word in order to support you. Let me know if you accept the challenge.

Going forward, I will call every fucking KTC number at 3 in the damn morning if I have to. I will absolutely make sure you are the first however. Maybe I'll even give you an address and you can drive down and billy club the stupid out of me.

Just stay quit bro. Don't put the shit in your mouth. Its not something to play with. Its not funny, and its not a game. This is your quit, no matter the amount of numbers you have, it all boils down to that moment. Dip or no dip, its your decision. Just don't let this be a waste of anyones time.

[tls37010]

Get your shit together bro..

Working on it.

Tls - I'm glad you came back. I don't admire your cave, but I do admire you coming back and facing your demons. You are accountable to the brotherhood - our successes are all linked together. Caves by ktc members are always a result of not buying into the brotherhood and not being a man of integrity.

Quitting isn't for the weak. Being a slave - thst is for the weak! You have my support, but it comes with a price. The price is thst you commit to contact me before any nicotine hits your body. We can talk through the situation and make a rational decision, but I need your word in order to support you. Let me know if you accept the challenge.

Going forward, I will call every fucking KTC number at 3 in the damn morning if I have to. I will absolutely make sure you are the first however. Maybe I'll even give you an address and you can drive down and billy club the stupid out of me.

[worktowin]

Get your shit together bro..

Working on it.

Tls - I'm glad you came back. I don't admire your cave, but I do admire you coming back and facing your demons. You are accountable to the brotherhood - our successes are all linked together. Caves by ktc members are always a result of not buying into the brotherhood and not being a man of integrity.

Quitting isn't for the weak. Being a slave - thst is for the weak! You have my support, but it comes with a price. The price is thst you commit to contact me before any nicotine hits your body. We can talk through the situation and make a rational decision, but I need your word in order to support you. Let me know if you accept the challenge.

[tls37010]

Get your shit together bro..

Working on it.

[MN_Ben]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.

I love this response questioning the intent of a post from the same punk kid who posts a pic of chew inviting people to cave..

Only to ultimately cave himself multiple times, but I guess its no big deal that you caved a few weeks ago and kept posting like you hadn't since you were to drunk or stupid to remember..

Get your shit together bro..

[Spartanron]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.

I can confirm vadge has ample pussy hair on his vadge

a fucking cigarette ? the next time you want to suck on something short and skinny go to April 2012

[Diesel2112]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.

We need another website for caver pussies like you TLS. It's getting out of hand. Maybe a minor league for attempting to quit. A place for stoppers who just can't hack being quit and making a daily promise. How hard is it to quit one day at a time and avoid sticking nicotine in your fucking face? It's ridiculous. It's not just you TLS. ITS ANYONE WHO CAVES LIKE THIS. THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS WEAK ASS BEHAVIOR.

I'll believe you're quit when I see it. Good luck, you'll need it mr do over.

when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

LOLOLOL - great words sonny. Don't go tell your "buddies" how much you told me off as they may offer you another celebratory cig. What is it now... THREE times you have gone through the suck in your short time here? My message isn't cryptic ....

By douchebagkid I mean YOU behave like an irresponsible, non committed, excuse making little slave-child. And until you decide to own your quit, that is how you will stay.

'lick me' -----look here for pussy hair TripleLoveSuck

Hey TLpuSsy .

How about this...

You shut the fuck up and just quit.

Quit talking ying yang and just keep nic out your fucking pie hole. If you can't do that, get the fuck out.

You're just another young punk to come rolling through here talking a big game but end up playing Jack's and fucking up on twosies.

You might want to think about giving up alcohol for a bit as well, no?

Love is given, respect is earned.

You haven't earned SHIT, other than a well deserved pussy label. Just pipe down for a bit and do more listening than talking. You struggle, have some questions, want some opinions, want to rage, etc...then you come here and do that. Beyond that...just shut the fuck up.

Some final advice....don't worry about another person on this site other than yourself. Don't worry about what Tom, Dick, or Harry are doing. Worry about you.

Build some quit equity. Show us you're serious about quitting, rack up the +1's and every thing else will take care of itself.

If you can't do that, take your bouncy ball, handful of jacks and hit the bricks, pal.

[Mogul]

I appreciate the support guys.

I've come back to this thread, because I needed somewhere other than June Group to occupy my thoughts. Especially, since this is in regards to recent caves within the group.

You guys are a bunch of pussies. I don't care what happens in your life, I don't care how long you chewed for. I don't give a shit if your mom, daughter, and father all fall over dead on the same day. I don't give a shit if Fido gets run over by a fucking car. I don't give a shit your home gets foreclosed on or your car gets impounded. No matter what happens, nicotine isn't going to make it better.

You're a fucking idiot if you think nicotine is going to solve your damn problem. At this point in your quit, it's gonna fucking compound your problem. You're going to start to feel dizzy, your head is going to spin, and you won't be able to see or think straight. Then the guilt will set in. You're going to realize that you let your brothers here at KTC down. You let your wife/significant other down. You let your children down. You let everyone who you've surrounded yourself with down. The can really is more important than your dearest fucking loved ones, huh? Just remember that you let your loved ones down. Remember the look in child's eyes when they see you with the can in. Remember that your wife does think less of you as a man, now. Your wife wants a man with a back bone, a man who can stand up to life's challenges and face them down. She wants a man she can count on to support her, not the other way around.

No, I don't want you back in my fucking quit group. No, the fuck I don't. I don't give a shit. You gave up. You quit. Every other mother fucker on this site has gone through this shit, some of us 10x worse than you. You had no reason to cave, except for the fact that you are a baby backed bitch. You are a selfish mother fucker. You chose the nic bitch over every one who loves and surrounds you. You know the dangers, and risks associated with tobacco, yet you still took it. You said your word wasn't worth a damn. You said you had no will power. You said that quitting is not important to you. You specifically described just how selfish you are, without even using a single fucking word!

I don't care if you just took one dip, and it made you feel dizzy and light headed. No shit, that's what a foreign substance will do when your body is not dependent on it. I don't give a shit if you threw the rest down the toilet, or in the trash. That's not a sign of a recovering addict; that's the sign of an addict attempting to hide. I don't give a shit about any of your lame ass excuses. I don't give a flying hoot-shit and I hope none of my brothers do.

That's what I'm talking about right there. A heartfelt jab at the jaws of addiction. A winner and a man who inspires. Poetry at its best. Amen, TLS, you rock the quit world and I follow behind you and support you. (now, does that help you understand who you are? JUST Quit bro, I know you are taking shit but I believe in you and many others want too. Let's get it, you got the quit and the reasons, just make it so, make the decision.).

Mogul

[ERDVM]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.

We need another website for caver pussies like you TLS. It's getting out of hand. Maybe a minor league for attempting to quit. A place for stoppers who just can't hack being quit and making a daily promise. How hard is it to quit one day at a time and avoid sticking nicotine in your fucking face? It's ridiculous. It's not just you TLS. ITS ANYONE WHO CAVES LIKE THIS. THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS WEAK ASS BEHAVIOR.

I'll believe you're quit when I see it. Good luck, you'll need it mr do over.

when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

LOLOLOL - great words sonny. Don't go tell your "buddies" how much you told me off as they may offer you another celebratory cig. What is it now... THREE times you have gone through the suck in your short time here? My message isn't cryptic ....

By douchebagkid I mean YOU behave like an irresponsible, non committed, excuse making little slave-child. And until you decide to own your quit, that is how you will stay.

'lick me' -----look here for pussy hair TripleLoveSuck

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.

We need another website for caver pussies like you TLS. It's getting out of hand. Maybe a minor league for attempting to quit. A place for stoppers who just can't hack being quit and making a daily promise. How hard is it to quit one day at a time and avoid sticking nicotine in your fucking face? It's ridiculous. It's not just you TLS. ITS ANYONE WHO CAVES LIKE THIS. THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS WEAK ASS BEHAVIOR.

I'll believe you're quit when I see it. Good luck, you'll need it mr do over.

[thewolfe]

What happened
I caved. I smoked a cigarette early Sunday AM at the bars. My good friend came back home into town on leave from the Marine Corps, and a bunch of old friends went out and got piss fucking drunk. I honestly didn't think much of going out and getting piss drunk, because I had done so so many times before in the last 47ish days. I asked another buddy for a cigarette and he obliged. Yesterday, when I asked him why he obliged - he shook his head and said, "meh, I gave you one a few weeks ago too when you were drinking". That was the point I knew I needed to come here and post a day one. I don't recall that other cigarette and the fact that I am so consistently asking for one when drunk shows I have a major major problem on multiple accounts.

I didn't text anyone, I didn't pull out a contract and read it over, I didn't get on my phone and cruise through KTC. I threw up absolutely zero defense mechanisms. I sat outside with an old friend and drunkenly polluted the early missouri morning air. I'm not sure what got into me.

Why it happened
Forgive me if this is a bit on the long side, as well as if it comes off as a bit of rambling - I'm going to post my raw unedited thoughts in regards to this.

I think I came into this quit with the wrong attitude. Sure, I did try to read and learn some, but looking back there seemed to be a limit on what I took in and was willing to learn. I specifically remember jumping up a few people's asses (I jumped up a lot of asses - some I still contend deserved it) who were really in the right. I remember one vet telling me I seriously needed to essentially adjust my attitude. I agree. I think I had half of the quit attitude down - the steel willed balls to the wall attitude knocked out of the park - I know this because I remember a night where a buddy and I split an entire bottle of Single Barrel Jack Daniels and I spent the entire night with my fists clenched staring at the wall avoiding nicotine use. I know I didn't use that night, and I feel like that was a testament to the balls to the wall attitude I subscribed to. That said that attitude was wrong. Like it has been said time and time again - we can't do this alone, we must be vigilant, and we must be smart. On many of occasions I was none of those. That doesn't apply to just the time where I caved, but also many other times.

I also think there is an elephant in room in regards to this whole situation. I'm starting to think I have a problem with alcohol - somewhat laughable coming from a 21 year old in college. I read once though that you don't have to use it everyday or every other day to be considered a problem drinker - I think that statement holds a lot of value. It seems that nearly every weekend I have an excuse to go out and get tore the fuck up both Friday and Saturday night, with some Thursdays smattered in there. It doesn't seem to matter if I have class at 9am the next morning, it's drill weekend or what. I always have an excuse to get fucking shit faced beyond the point of no fucking control. The sad part is the 2-3 times a week is comparably less than last semester when it was honestly 5-6 nights a week I'd get blasted off my ass. Hell, here recently I've even started driving, which is an entirely new low for me - I've NEVER done so in the past. I need to get this shit under control - majorly. I don't know - is it a problem. I certainly do know although alcohol didn't create the cave, it created the opportunity and justification for the cave. I honestly, hate the shit almost as much I hate nicotine, yet I still keep going back to it. That said, I feel like if I told anyone in my real life about my feelings in this regard that I'd be laughed out of the room. Alcohol is so widely accepted and used that such talk for a 21 year old college student is ridiculous. The fact that I was willing to endanger my quit so frequently only furthers this.

Beyond that and delving back into the attitude problem - I don't think I really wanted to quit when I started. I've mentioned this a couple of times, but I sat there and romanticized the shit on multiple occasions. I think this reminiscing was a huge factor - I still hang out to this day with a multitude of friends who were around and whom I helped to start their addictions through peer pressure. I need to quit looking at it as if we are sharing something in common. Hell I ran into an old friend who I hadn't seen in years this weekend. I didn't realize he chewed, yet even after 47 days of quit, I still talked to him about it. I still told him how I used to chew etc. I should have been telling him about how I quit, how long I've been quit, how KTC helped me.

Going back to why I didn't contact anybody - I think I got too comfortable in my quit. I said, fuck it, it's just one cig. Hell, I think part of me expected my friend to turn me down. That said, that's not his fucking job. I make my own decisions, and I need to be held responsible for them. It was my decision to go out that night and it was also my decision to go out completely unprepared.

What I am going to do differently next time
Honestly, I think the biggest part of this quit going forward is completely changing my attitude. Yes, I can still keep the balls to the wall attitude I had previously, but I need to tweak a number of things. I need to be willing to consistently and constantly learn in my quit and never stop learning - vigilance is going to be key. The nic bitch is always going to be there ready and waiting - I need to be ready and waiting as well. I have to start learning more, and not just for the next couple of weeks like last time. I need to learn continuously for the rest of my quit.

I don't think I was approachable enough with fellow group members either. Sure, I had the 4-5 people I texted with somewhat regularly, but that was never an EVERYDAY thing like it should have been. I didn't allow my quit to ever get completely IN MY FACE, so to speak. I texted when I needed to, but never just a hey good morning etc. Sure I was on chat, but often times especially in the early days my time spent on chat and the forums was spent arguing over petty shit. That surely didn't make people want to hold me accountable - after all who wants to get their head bitten off? I certainly don't. I need to get more numbers or use the ones I have more consistently. I need to use the lifelines given to me more often and consistently. I need to completely change my attitude in that regard - I'm not weak for reaching out. I'm no less of a person, I need to reach out more often than when I'm in dire trouble.

I also need to start getting my alcohol usage under control - I'm not saying I need to stop completely, but I certainly need to stop drinking myself under the table at every stupid dumb ass excuse I run across. Over the next week or so I plan on looking more into how to effectively tackle that bear - I imagine it will be in a very very similar manner as to how I need to continue to beat the nic bitch down.

TLS I quit with you today

Hey brother, I'm also quit with you today.. Thank you for the great post of three questions. I am SURE it will help me and others down the line. It will help you also.

Quit hard

Wolfe

[tls37010]

TLS I quit with you today

I appreciate that brother. I really do.

[tls37010]

Weak ass. Juvenile. Betrayer.

Why don't you go start a quit group with davidumb. One where you can post daily, but still get to smoke the occasional cigarette if your hooch doesn't come in or if you get sooooo drunk. It'll probably be ok if you post pics of dudes dipping there too.

Douchebagkid. Grow some fucking nut hair.

Vadge 829. I will not use today.

I'll grow some fucking nut hair when you grow some fucking pussy hair.

tls37010. Day 1. I will not use today.


Not sure what you're really trying to accomplish with this post man.