Finally decided to quit

[scrofford]

I had some cravings today but won't even think about touching a tin. I go to the doc tomorrow and I am going to talk to her about my NRT. I hope everyone had a good weekend. I did, but in a lot of pain with my hip. Oh well, drive on I will!

[scrofford]

Thanks for all of your advice guys! I guess my attitude toward everything has been kinda sucky and I apologize about that one too. I will talk to my doctor about all of this! :)

[11X4]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

Hey guys, sorry to jump in on a topic that I really don't have any information on. But as it pertains to stress, and quitting, I can offer this:

I think you might just be delaying the inevitable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to avoid going through the incredible fucking pain in the ass that quitting causes.

I would recommend planning on being a stressed out wreck for a few days, and do everything in your power to control those days.....rent funny movies, go for long walks, plan tons of shit that is relaxing and calming, and know that the stress you are going through is going to be over soon.

The actual physical suck doesn't last that long.....it very soon becomes strictly mental. You can do this!

now we are getting somewhere, i think almost anyone on here was afraid of withdraw and dealing with stressors without using...personally i was terrified when i quit but the folks here helped me overcome the fear, got me through the suck, (my wife probably would have told me to use by day 4 i was that bad) and got me here today. we can do this, if you think everyone here is a bad-ass quitter you're mistaken, a large number of us were bad ass addicts who turned the power of the addiction against itself. not because we are tough, but because we realized each in our own way (read intros and HOF speeches) that the mindless use of tobacco and nicotine was destroying our lives, wrecking our families, and making us into people we didn't want to be liars and cheats

interesting point CD, I am in fact addicted to my quit now.

But one point that needs to be made in this discussion is that I hope you've discussed this quittin thing with your doc scofford. If I missed something I apologize, but it sounds like you're using NRT as a self-medication for the quit. If that's the case, then you are putting off the inevitable and your addiciton is making excuses. Go see your doc and a cardioloist ASAP. They know the effects of nicotine on the pump. They will tell you the safest way to clean yourself. My suggestion is that you ask the question of whether or not cold turkey will be harmful and if they say no go that route. It is painful, but the memory of that pain will server as a catalyst for your quit later. But again, when it comes to the pump that makes all other pumps work, don't listen to anyone but a doc.

Oh and speaking of defibs, if you ever find yourself in the back of an ambulance when one is being used, make sure you're not touching the stretcher. 'shock'

what if you're on the stretcher?!?

In my limited experience, I've yet to see a person on the stretcher that complained about it.

[cdforecheck]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

Hey guys, sorry to jump in on a topic that I really don't have any information on. But as it pertains to stress, and quitting, I can offer this:

I think you might just be delaying the inevitable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to avoid going through the incredible fucking pain in the ass that quitting causes.

I would recommend planning on being a stressed out wreck for a few days, and do everything in your power to control those days.....rent funny movies, go for long walks, plan tons of shit that is relaxing and calming, and know that the stress you are going through is going to be over soon.

The actual physical suck doesn't last that long.....it very soon becomes strictly mental. You can do this!

now we are getting somewhere, i think almost anyone on here was afraid of withdraw and dealing with stressors without using...personally i was terrified when i quit but the folks here helped me overcome the fear, got me through the suck, (my wife probably would have told me to use by day 4 i was that bad) and got me here today. we can do this, if you think everyone here is a bad-ass quitter you're mistaken, a large number of us were bad ass addicts who turned the power of the addiction against itself. not because we are tough, but because we realized each in our own way (read intros and HOF speeches) that the mindless use of tobacco and nicotine was destroying our lives, wrecking our families, and making us into people we didn't want to be liars and cheats

interesting point CD, I am in fact addicted to my quit now.

But one point that needs to be made in this discussion is that I hope you've discussed this quittin thing with your doc scofford. If I missed something I apologize, but it sounds like you're using NRT as a self-medication for the quit. If that's the case, then you are putting off the inevitable and your addiciton is making excuses. Go see your doc and a cardioloist ASAP. They know the effects of nicotine on the pump. They will tell you the safest way to clean yourself. My suggestion is that you ask the question of whether or not cold turkey will be harmful and if they say no go that route. It is painful, but the memory of that pain will server as a catalyst for your quit later. But again, when it comes to the pump that makes all other pumps work, don't listen to anyone but a doc.

Oh and speaking of defibs, if you ever find yourself in the back of an ambulance when one is being used, make sure you're not touching the stretcher. 'shock'

what if you're on the stretcher?!?

[11X4]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

Hey guys, sorry to jump in on a topic that I really don't have any information on. But as it pertains to stress, and quitting, I can offer this:

I think you might just be delaying the inevitable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to avoid going through the incredible fucking pain in the ass that quitting causes.

I would recommend planning on being a stressed out wreck for a few days, and do everything in your power to control those days.....rent funny movies, go for long walks, plan tons of shit that is relaxing and calming, and know that the stress you are going through is going to be over soon.

The actual physical suck doesn't last that long.....it very soon becomes strictly mental. You can do this!

now we are getting somewhere, i think almost anyone on here was afraid of withdraw and dealing with stressors without using...personally i was terrified when i quit but the folks here helped me overcome the fear, got me through the suck, (my wife probably would have told me to use by day 4 i was that bad) and got me here today. we can do this, if you think everyone here is a bad-ass quitter you're mistaken, a large number of us were bad ass addicts who turned the power of the addiction against itself. not because we are tough, but because we realized each in our own way (read intros and HOF speeches) that the mindless use of tobacco and nicotine was destroying our lives, wrecking our families, and making us into people we didn't want to be liars and cheats

interesting point CD, I am in fact addicted to my quit now.

But one point that needs to be made in this discussion is that I hope you've discussed this quittin thing with your doc scofford. If I missed something I apologize, but it sounds like you're using NRT as a self-medication for the quit. If that's the case, then you are putting off the inevitable and your addiciton is making excuses. Go see your doc and a cardioloist ASAP. They know the effects of nicotine on the pump. They will tell you the safest way to clean yourself. My suggestion is that you ask the question of whether or not cold turkey will be harmful and if they say no go that route. It is painful, but the memory of that pain will server as a catalyst for your quit later. But again, when it comes to the pump that makes all other pumps work, don't listen to anyone but a doc.

Oh and speaking of defibs, if you ever find yourself in the back of an ambulance when one is being used, make sure you're not touching the stretcher. 'shock'

[cdforecheck]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

Hey guys, sorry to jump in on a topic that I really don't have any information on. But as it pertains to stress, and quitting, I can offer this:

I think you might just be delaying the inevitable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to avoid going through the incredible fucking pain in the ass that quitting causes.

I would recommend planning on being a stressed out wreck for a few days, and do everything in your power to control those days.....rent funny movies, go for long walks, plan tons of shit that is relaxing and calming, and know that the stress you are going through is going to be over soon.

The actual physical suck doesn't last that long.....it very soon becomes strictly mental. You can do this!

now we are getting somewhere, i think almost anyone on here was afraid of withdraw and dealing with stressors without using...personally i was terrified when i quit but the folks here helped me overcome the fear, got me through the suck, (my wife probably would have told me to use by day 4 i was that bad) and got me here today. we can do this, if you think everyone here is a bad-ass quitter you're mistaken, a large number of us were bad ass addicts who turned the power of the addiction against itself. not because we are tough, but because we realized each in our own way (read intros and HOF speeches) that the mindless use of tobacco and nicotine was destroying our lives, wrecking our families, and making us into people we didn't want to be liars and cheats

[russjns]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

Hey guys, sorry to jump in on a topic that I really don't have any information on. But as it pertains to stress, and quitting, I can offer this:

I think you might just be delaying the inevitable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can to avoid going through the incredible fucking pain in the ass that quitting causes.

I would recommend planning on being a stressed out wreck for a few days, and do everything in your power to control those days.....rent funny movies, go for long walks, plan tons of shit that is relaxing and calming, and know that the stress you are going through is going to be over soon.

The actual physical suck doesn't last that long.....it very soon becomes strictly mental. You can do this!

[scrofford]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

I honestly appreciate what you are saying. Thank you. The only thing is that in the past when I have tried to go cold turkey, the frickin stress and everything else helped cause my heart to beat irregularly....Not just once, but several times I have tried it that way.

My point is not that I love nicotine and that I want to stay with it. My point has been to drop down to a level where I won't be so uptight and stressed when I do decide not to use an NRT. Am I afraid of the withdrawls, only the one part of it that has to do with my heart beating irregularly from the stress. You know what I am talking about.

I am doing it this way and will get to a point here in a couple of days to where I am not using any NRT. That is my plan and it should work.

[cdforecheck]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

ok...look you seem like a pretty together guy, but nic and arrhythmias go hand in hand, you mentioned not cutting NRTs b/c you were worried about abnormal heart beats...i mentioned that i know (unfortunately, through experience) something about it...nicotine is not good for the heart and i wouldn't want anyone to ever HAVE to go through the pain and honestly fear of dying like i have, you made a really important decision to stop using tobacco because of health concerns, my personal experience with NRT is a lesson in how not to quit and nicotine is not a safe substance.

you actually have made an even better decision to join here, i never believed i would be nic free and only have to fight occasional cravings but here i am. why? for all the bitching, swearing, and calling folks out i am in charge of my quit and i know that my phone will ring off the hook if i fail to post (it has) and all my hard work and frankly the pain of withdraw will be spitting (no pun intended) on all the folks here who held me accountable for my quit, my friends who held me accountable, and most importantly my family that held me accountable. it wasn't friends and family that made it stick, it was perfect strangers that i simply make a promise to daily and they promise to me that has made my quit work

don't think that i don't care about your quit, actually, i care that you go all in, because i tried prolonging the worst part forever, now i know that the 6-7 days of hell were worth it

[scrofford]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

Ok so what is the purpose of telling me about all of your heart probs? I have had some myself but nothing like you.

BTW this is for everyone....I have used less NRT today than what is recommended, so I am obviously on my way to stopping it too.

[cdforecheck]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

asked the doc to but he wouldn't...but i swear when my aicd fires it feels like it i'm getting electrocuted all over...hell man, all five senses affected, i'd almost rather be externally de-fibbed but 911 takes too long

[scrofford]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

So have you ever had a defib machine used on your ass?

[cdforecheck]

more nuggets from the world of heart troubles....

when you have an ep study the goal is to make your heart go into v-fib

nerve abnormalities or heart damage are the causes of all arrhythmias

when a v-tach or v-fib hits you, you fall backwards usually before you pass out

being de-fibbed externally feels like slamming your hand in a car door

being de-fibbed internally feels like getting hit by baseball bat

when you pass out from arrhythmia you get two very strange feelings a ringing in the ears and you tongue feels like it is swelling

cool stuff....

[scrofford]

I will post one more thing....I have a very sincere question and if it can be answered sincerely, I think it will help not only me but other people. My question is this:

If someone is using an NRT to step down from either chewing or smoking, why is that such a problem IF they are using the NRT according to the directions? Yes I know nicotine is the bitch that needs to be overcome, BUT, if someone uses an NRT and has sincerely quit the other habit, how is that so bad?

There are so many more chemicals in the chew or cigarettes that can kill you. I understand that a lot of people think that it will cause a relapse to use the NRT, but if someone REALLY IS SINCERE about quitting and never wants to touch chew again, isn't it better to use the NRT if he or she feels they need it? (ALL THE TOUGH GUY SHIT ASIDE.)

I have gone without any nic before when I tried to quit in the past. I failed. I also failed once AFTER being off an NRT for a number of days. Call Bullshit if you want, but WHEN I FAILED THAT TIME, I HAD NO CRAVING UNTIL I GOT HIT WITH A HEAVY PAIN KILLER.I think it had to do with my thinking process....I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT! I was looking for an excuse to hit the copenshit again. This time I do REALLY WANT TO QUIT! It scares the living hell out of me to even think about taking another dip....EVER! So you people who don't think I am serious don't know me.

I am going to talk to my doc about the NRT. My own dad who quit smoking cold turkey years ago because of a heart attack told me it might be better for me to use an NRT. Anyways, that is my question and my feelings. Take care.

Steve

I will answer your question sincerely... realize that this is one man's opinion. Also, this is not the opinion of "admin chewie" this is the opinion of "quitter chewie".

If someone is using an NRT to step down from either chewing or smoking, why is that such a problem IF they are using the NRT according to the directions?

It's not. I have no problem with someone posting roll using this method. In fact one of my fellow October 2006 members did just this and still posts roll daily. He was successful. However he is in the minority. The VAST majority of people who use NRTs fail. We know this because we've seen it time and time again. We believe that the BEST way to quit is the cold turkey method because as you say you will never be truly free until you are nic free.

but if someone REALLY IS SINCERE about quitting and never wants to touch chew again, isn't it better to use the NRT if he or she feels they need it?

Maybe. Maybe not. You are an addict. I am an addict. The difference is you are an ACTIVE addict and I'm a QUIT addict. I'm not saying this to be disparaging but to point out the difference between us. You have nicotine flowing through your body (no matter how little). Your mind will allow you to rationalize any way to continue the flow of nic to it. That said, your body will always tell you that you NEED the nic - hence your addiction.

I have gone without any nic before when I tried to quit in the past. I failed. I also failed once AFTER being off an NRT for a number of days. Call Bullshit if you want, but WHEN I FAILED THAT TIME, I HAD NO CRAVING UNTIL I GOT HIT WITH A HEAVY PAIN KILLER.

I don't know the circumstances about your previous quits. I can pretty much guarantee that you never had a support system place like this site. If I had to guess I'd say your previous failure had more to do with the lack of support and commitment than it did with NRT.

I am going to talk to my doc about the NRT. My own dad who quit smoking cold turkey years ago because of a heart attack told me it might be better for me to use an NRT.

Is your dad a doctor? Why would his opinion of NRTs hold any more weight than a doctor (or us for that matter)? Either way, I think it's great that you're talking to your doc.

Stick around - regardless of your rocky start with the site I think we've proven that we CARE about your quit. Personally I'd like to see you stick it through and I'll be damn glad to see you hit the hall.

Time will tell.

chewie

Yes most of you have proven that you care about my quit...I appreciate it. Some just want to be assholes....maybe they like to take their nic withdrawl out on me....I don't know.

At any rate, I will stick around Chewie...Thanks for your opinion and your feeling on this matter.

[scrofford]

Scrofford--I am iggnorant thanks for noticing- you are a pussy who is still in love with nicotine.

I require 2 things from new quitters:

-be committed- we can tell by your language you aren't
- allow yourself to surrender to something bigger than you.

When CD says "quit now"

Your response should be "you're right, thanks, I just threw my lozenges away"

Instead you resist because you live in fear of quitting and you like attention.

I accept NRT's as long as the person has the right attitude..most of them see the light and throw them out quickly...you are just delaying the enevitable. DAY #3!!!

When I told you that you were not strong enough to be here I was hoping the Badass Quitter in you would come out and respond "Fuck you Niwot- I'll show you"

Thus the "X" of Extreme.

You see, to me this is a job interview- I would love to see you here with a big attitude and reach the HOF and beyond because it makes us all stronger- another success story!! I need a fellow quitter not a High-maintenance pussy that is posting now!

So, in closing, as of now you are a bitch to nicotine and resist the "Support" we are providing. So go do it your way, I'm sure your people you can see and talk to have a lot of experience quitting Dip!

Come back and come HEAVY- with a quit or die attitude and a lot of humility and I will post next to you everyday.

Ignorant- yes!!

Firstly your bullshit requirements don't mean the pimple on the worlds ass to me. Fuck you and your "requirements".

Second, I will not be ordered around by some fucking "jerk wad" that I don't even know and have never met.

Third, I am not resisting anything except going back to Copenhagen. If I was standing in front of you I wouldn't even resist kicking your sorry fucking ass...Trust me I could.

Go crawl back under the fucking rock you came out of and leave me alone asshole.