Diesel's Intro Page

[Diesel2112]

Thanks fellas. You are ALL right. I got the tools, know how to use them, and will. The nic bitch is tricky. She's always got me thinking but I beat her ass everytime. I try to stay 1 step ahead of her, this will be no different, but still the shit aint always easy. I guess nothing worth fighting for is. I will kick her in the sausage wallet like I have for the previous 192 days.

Thanks for the encouragement.

[TSNUS]

Another hurdle coming this weekend as the wife is going to Florida for 3 days.  In the past this meant chewapalooza as I would dip care free into the wee hours of the night watching sports or playing video games after the kids were in bed.

Ive cleared many hurdles s over the past 193 days but this ones got me nervous already and she doesn't leave til Sunday.  I know it wont be easy but I can clear this hurdle just like the others,   I might hit my sack getting over this one,  but I will do this!!!

What would you tell any other quitter bringing this issue to you?

You guessed it.

Post roll.
Use your tools.

Your actions and thoughts dictate your success and failure. There is a difference between "quit" and "not using". You, sir, are quit. You are actively pursuing a quit lifestyle, and you recognize trouble before you get into it.

I did the same thing in September when I went to Chicago to see a concert with some friends. I freaked out that I would find myself in a bad situation because (before) that was when I chewed my head off.

I planned ahead, and when the time came...I didn't have to worry about it. It turns out all that practicing and planning pretty much left me without a thought of nicotine. I had one moment that entire weekend, and I texted DJR2 to see how he was doing in the World Series. That was it.

You can do this man.

Chat...

Diesel, I'm a fellow Michigan brother, I'll be around all weekend if you need digits let me know. Badass quit going, no need to change that.

[Mjollnir]

Another hurdle coming this weekend as the wife is going to Florida for 3 days.  In the past this meant chewapalooza as I would dip care free into the wee hours of the night watching sports or playing video games after the kids were in bed.

Ive cleared many hurdles s over the past 193 days but this ones got me nervous already and she doesn't leave til Sunday.  I know it wont be easy but I can clear this hurdle just like the others,  I might hit my sack getting over this one,  but I will do this!!!

What would you tell any other quitter bringing this issue to you?

You guessed it.

Post roll.
Use your tools.

Your actions and thoughts dictate your success and failure. There is a difference between "quit" and "not using". You, sir, are quit. You are actively pursuing a quit lifestyle, and you recognize trouble before you get into it.

I did the same thing in September when I went to Chicago to see a concert with some friends. I freaked out that I would find myself in a bad situation because (before) that was when I chewed my head off.

I planned ahead, and when the time came...I didn't have to worry about it. It turns out all that practicing and planning pretty much left me without a thought of nicotine. I had one moment that entire weekend, and I texted DJR2 to see how he was doing in the World Series. That was it.

You can do this man.

Chat...

[wastepanel]

Another hurdle coming this weekend as the wife is going to Florida for 3 days. In the past this meant chewapalooza as I would dip care free into the wee hours of the night watching sports or playing video games after the kids were in bed.

Ive cleared many hurdles s over the past 193 days but this ones got me nervous already and she doesn't leave til Sunday. I know it wont be easy but I can clear this hurdle just like the others, I might hit my sack getting over this one, but I will do this!!!

What would you tell any other quitter bringing this issue to you?

You guessed it.

Post roll.
Use your tools.

Your actions and thoughts dictate your success and failure. There is a difference between "quit" and "not using". You, sir, are quit. You are actively pursuing a quit lifestyle, and you recognize trouble before you get into it.

I did the same thing in September when I went to Chicago to see a concert with some friends. I freaked out that I would find myself in a bad situation because (before) that was when I chewed my head off.

I planned ahead, and when the time came...I didn't have to worry about it. It turns out all that practicing and planning pretty much left me without a thought of nicotine. I had one moment that entire weekend, and I texted DJR2 to see how he was doing in the World Series. That was it.

You can do this man.

[kana]

Another hurdle coming this weekend as the wife is going to Florida for 3 days. In the past this meant chewapalooza as I would dip care free into the wee hours of the night watching sports or playing video games after the kids were in bed.

Ive cleared many hurdles s over the past 193 days but this ones got me nervous already and she doesn't leave til Sunday. I know it wont be easy but I can clear this hurdle just like the others, I might hit my sack getting over this one, but I will do this!!!

reward yourself with something you don't usually do. Give yourself something to look forward to as well. Have a eatapalooza instead.. B)

[Diesel2112]

Another hurdle coming this weekend as the wife is going to Florida for 3 days. In the past this meant chewapalooza as I would dip care free into the wee hours of the night watching sports or playing video games after the kids were in bed.

Ive cleared many hurdles s over the past 193 days but this ones got me nervous already and she doesn't leave til Sunday. I know it wont be easy but I can clear this hurdle just like the others, I might hit my sack getting over this one, but I will do this!!!

[eric71]

Random thought...

Day 187 and my quit seems to be going very smooth. Still some bumps, mainly when I tackle tasks I've never tackled dip free before but all in all in relation to "every day life", I find myself doing better and better.

As I drove for 4 hrs today I pondered why and came to the conclusion I am not using will power to quit anymore. In the early days will power was all I used. That's because you use will power when you think you are giving up something pleasurable.

Even though I knew that not chewing was the right move, I honestly believed I was giving something "good" up and it pissed me off and stressed me out...not being able to dip only added to this stress. It was a nightmare and a vicious cycle of frustration and only will power kept me quit.

I couldn't continue to be quit with will power alone, it would be torture and just too hard. I would either cave or TOTALLY flip out (my body had already mildly flopped out). It wasn't until I really started reading and educating myself on nicotine addictiont that I realized I wasn't giving up anything pleasurable, I was giving up something that was controlling my life and trying to kill me.

It was FEAR that I really needed to give up. Fear that nic gave me confidence, fear that nic made me sociable, fear that nic relaxed me, fear that nic made "things" better. That was all bullshit. Once I gave those fears up, I quit relying on will power to quit and realized I wasn't giving up a God Damn thing.

I read people with more days quit than me say that they still battle the nic bitch everyday. I don't believe that should be the case. Will every day be easy? Hell no, but I think those that are past the HOF and still fight nic daily are still using will power to quit. I think they need to fight their fears of quitting for things to get easier. I think winning that battle is the true way to freedom.

Again, these are just MY random thoughts. Thanks for reading and STAY QUIT!!'

Diesel2112

insightful and powerful points Diesel, well done brother!

[Diesel2112]

Random thought...

Day 187 and my quit seems to be going very smooth. Still some bumps, mainly when I tackle tasks I've never tackled dip free before but all in all in relation to "every day life", I find myself doing better and better.

As I drove for 4 hrs today I pondered why and came to the conclusion I am not using will power to quit anymore. In the early days will power was all I used. That's because you use will power when you think you are giving up something pleasurable.

Even though I knew that not chewing was the right move, I honestly believed I was giving something "good" up and it pissed me off and stressed me out...not being able to dip only added to this stress. It was a nightmare and a vicious cycle of frustration and only will power kept me quit.

I couldn't continue to be quit with will power alone, it would be torture and just too hard. I would either cave or TOTALLY flip out (my body had already mildly flopped out). It wasn't until I really started reading and educating myself on nicotine addictiont that I realized I wasn't giving up anything pleasurable, I was giving up something that was controlling my life and trying to kill me.

It was FEAR that I really needed to give up. Fear that nic gave me confidence, fear that nic made me sociable, fear that nic relaxed me, fear that nic made "things" better. That was all bullshit. Once I gave those fears up, I quit relying on will power to quit and realized I wasn't giving up a God Damn thing.

I read people with more days quit than me say that they still battle the nic bitch everyday. I don't believe that should be the case. Will every day be easy? Hell no, but I think those that are past the HOF and still fight nic daily are still using will power to quit. I think they need to fight their fears of quitting for things to get easier. I think winning that battle is the true way to freedom.

Again, these are just MY random thoughts. Thanks for reading and STAY QUIT!!'

Diesel2112

[Dr_Dirt]

182 days quit, 364 cans of of shit NOT stuffed in my cake hole, $1,911.00 saved. These numbers just hit me today. What a fool I was. Wish I would have wised up sooner. No use dwelling in the past I guess, ain't shit you can do to change it.

Fuck you tobacco. I fucking hate you. Remaining quit and helping others do the same is the only way I know to get even with you, so I will continue to do so and you can continue to nibble on my Dick like a rat does cheese.

You are a rockstar dude.

I am pleased to quit with you today - and I look forward to seeing you around the bend tomorrow.

[Diesel2112]

182 days quit, 364 cans of of shit NOT stuffed in my cake hole, $1,911.00 saved. These numbers just hit me today. What a fool I was. Wish I would have wised up sooner. No use dwelling in the past I guess, ain't shit you can do to change it.

Fuck you tobacco. I fucking hate you. Remaining quit and helping others do the same is the only way I know to get even with you, so I will continue to do so and you can continue to nibble on my Dick like a rat does cheese.

[Diesel2112]

First of all, man...good for you.

Not everybody can be saved.  But if one person reads your comments and quits...that person can be.  I'm proud of you.

Secondly, this good doc is full of crap and not just because he is funded by tobacco but because he is saying what we (as users) wanted him to say back then:  it is too impossible to quit nicotine.  He feeds the fear in the these users' heads by telling them "nobody blames you for not being able to quit.  It's OK to fail."

Bull-fucking-shit.

First off, his major hypothesis is that people "cannot or will not quit smoking" so (obviously) replacing cigarettes with snus will lead to "quitting".  First off....duh on the vehicle replacement.  If I didn't hate nicotine so much I might make a nicotine anal plug and claim it is just as effective to aid in "quitting" and is completely invisible to avoid the stigma of people seeing you with something on your mouth.  Would you feed an alcoholic that prefers vodka beers and mouthwash to cure him?  No. 

Secondly, let's concentrate on the "cannot or will not" aspect.  What is the percentage of people on this earth that can live without nicotine?  Is it 100%?  Would anybody die if they didn't get their fix?  No.  So, that means that people cannot "cannot " quit.  That means that's 100% of these users "will not" or "do not want to" quit.  Again...duh. 

His research claims that that sinus lusers lose 15 days of their lives compared to 8 years for smokers.  Physically, I can't disagree with this because...well.  what are we contending?  Does he have a pathway to an alternate dimension where he is tracking these alternate users that are not using over there?  How the fuck does he know?  It's because he is looking at the probability of getting diseases "directly" associated with chewing.  That means the high blood pressure, sleep apnea, circulation issues, etc that comes with the addiction are not included.  Besides, even if I concede the "8 days lost", how many days are spent procuring, using, hiding with your fix?  And it also assumes that users do not need more and more product to feed the addiction.

He is the little voice around that helps peddle this smut.  He is nothing because, ultimately, be can't make people use.  That's up to every one of us.

You're doing a great job.  Keep it up.

Fuck this guy.

I agree and those were some of the points I brought up with the Doctor as we emailed back and forth. He CLAIMED he does not encourage the use of tobacco to anybody, only that he is making people aware of "safer" alternatives to smoking through his tobacco harm reduction campaign. Like hes doing everyone a big favor by recommending replacing nicotine with...nicotine.

I also got him to admit that "chew" like Cope, Kodiak, Skoal, etc...is more harmful than Swedish snuss because of the additional sweeteners and chemicals added to American dip.

I also pointed out that all these kids who are taking his book as a green light to continue dipping aren't using snuss pouches. They're loading their lips with over sized pinches of chew that contain as much nicotine as 3-5 cigarettes. That's when he ended it and said I was doing the right thing and wished me luck.

Fuck it. I'm not afraid to mix it up with a Doctor. Lord knows ive done dumber things in my life, like poision myself with kodiak for 15 years.

So, basically, you won the argument?

Bravo, sir.

Here's the thing. I had to try to watch that video you did. It's fucking idiocy.

Don't believe their lies. The one dude is making money selling spittoons to people while quoting source material advocating spitless snus, and the other is funded primarily by tobacco.

You are living, breathing example of the ability to quit. You are Santa Clause to them.

No sense can come from a dude named "Mudjug".

That Mudjug guy is an idiot. I did not watch the video you guys are talking about but I've seen some of his other stuff. Poke around Youtube and you will find lots of vids of people celebrating dipping. Outlaw is another guy that has dipping vids all over the place. While I didn't watch that vid, I did read though some of the comments. A lot of them are by teenage guys that are young and stupid and easily influenced. I was there once. I started when I was 15. There isn't a lot you can tell a 15 year old kid that is gonna change his mind. People like this asshole Mudjug guy contribute to the whole dipping "lifestyle" that appeals to these kids. It's a shame and it's irresponsible.

I came here based on the anxiety issues that have started around day 75 of my quit. Bad. Real bad. A few full fledged panic attacks as well. More on that later.

But yes, I saw this guys bullshit when I watched the Marsee story. Thank you for taking this douche bag on, and the fine doctor.

Funny what money will make some people do, huh? Both of them will have their karma catch up to them sooner or later. We are doing the BEST thing. Quitting.

Thanks man. Hang in there with that anxiety stuff, I know it can be scary. See a Doc if you need to. Have any questions pm me anytime.

Seeing a counselor this week. Just feels like I cannot catch a deep satisfying breath, not just during the two 'attacks" I had, but for instance, right now at my desk.

Deciding if I should see my doctor too. While it's not my first preference (which is trail running, but my knees have prevented me from running...), I am NOT against pharmaceutical help for the time being.

Sounds all too familiar. I saw a counselor (still do once a month), she was very helpful and still is. I was shocked how good it is to just sit down and talk to someone about this shit. Helped me understand a lot of things. That plus this site are life savers.

Ultimately though got some "assist" from some anti anxiety meds. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion. They don't solve everything, it's not like it's some magic quit pill, but they did get rid of that constant tightness in the chest that I had. Quitting for me was hard enough but dealing with that all the time was like fighting the nic bitch with one had tied behind my back. It only took a "baby dose" to help me out, and I still take them, although even less now.

Do what you gotta do to remain quit, is the way I thought about it. 75 days is awesome and in the grand scheme of your life is just a blip on the radar even though right now it probably seems like an eternity.

Best of luck to you. If you need anything, just holler.

[Boelker62]

First of all, man...good for you.

Not everybody can be saved.  But if one person reads your comments and quits...that person can be.  I'm proud of you.

Secondly, this good doc is full of crap and not just because he is funded by tobacco but because he is saying what we (as users) wanted him to say back then:  it is too impossible to quit nicotine.  He feeds the fear in the these users' heads by telling them "nobody blames you for not being able to quit.  It's OK to fail."

Bull-fucking-shit.

First off, his major hypothesis is that people "cannot or will not quit smoking" so (obviously) replacing cigarettes with snus will lead to "quitting".  First off....duh on the vehicle replacement.  If I didn't hate nicotine so much I might make a nicotine anal plug and claim it is just as effective to aid in "quitting" and is completely invisible to avoid the stigma of people seeing you with something on your mouth.  Would you feed an alcoholic that prefers vodka beers and mouthwash to cure him?  No. 

Secondly, let's concentrate on the "cannot or will not" aspect.  What is the percentage of people on this earth that can live without nicotine?  Is it 100%?  Would anybody die if they didn't get their fix?  No.  So, that means that people cannot "cannot " quit.  That means that's 100% of these users "will not" or "do not want to" quit.  Again...duh. 

His research claims that that sinus lusers lose 15 days of their lives compared to 8 years for smokers.  Physically, I can't disagree with this because...well.  what are we contending?  Does he have a pathway to an alternate dimension where he is tracking these alternate users that are not using over there?  How the fuck does he know?  It's because he is looking at the probability of getting diseases "directly" associated with chewing.  That means the high blood pressure, sleep apnea, circulation issues, etc that comes with the addiction are not included.  Besides, even if I concede the "8 days lost", how many days are spent procuring, using, hiding with your fix?  And it also assumes that users do not need more and more product to feed the addiction.

He is the little voice around that helps peddle this smut.  He is nothing because, ultimately, be can't make people use.  That's up to every one of us.

You're doing a great job.  Keep it up.

Fuck this guy.

I agree and those were some of the points I brought up with the Doctor as we emailed back and forth. He CLAIMED he does not encourage the use of tobacco to anybody, only that he is making people aware of "safer" alternatives to smoking through his tobacco harm reduction campaign. Like hes doing everyone a big favor by recommending replacing nicotine with...nicotine.

I also got him to admit that "chew" like Cope, Kodiak, Skoal, etc...is more harmful than Swedish snuss because of the additional sweeteners and chemicals added to American dip.

I also pointed out that all these kids who are taking his book as a green light to continue dipping aren't using snuss pouches. They're loading their lips with over sized pinches of chew that contain as much nicotine as 3-5 cigarettes. That's when he ended it and said I was doing the right thing and wished me luck.

Fuck it. I'm not afraid to mix it up with a Doctor. Lord knows ive done dumber things in my life, like poision myself with kodiak for 15 years.

So, basically, you won the argument?

Bravo, sir.

Here's the thing. I had to try to watch that video you did. It's fucking idiocy.

Don't believe their lies. The one dude is making money selling spittoons to people while quoting source material advocating spitless snus, and the other is funded primarily by tobacco.

You are living, breathing example of the ability to quit. You are Santa Clause to them.

No sense can come from a dude named "Mudjug".

That Mudjug guy is an idiot. I did not watch the video you guys are talking about but I've seen some of his other stuff. Poke around Youtube and you will find lots of vids of people celebrating dipping. Outlaw is another guy that has dipping vids all over the place. While I didn't watch that vid, I did read though some of the comments. A lot of them are by teenage guys that are young and stupid and easily influenced. I was there once. I started when I was 15. There isn't a lot you can tell a 15 year old kid that is gonna change his mind. People like this asshole Mudjug guy contribute to the whole dipping "lifestyle" that appeals to these kids. It's a shame and it's irresponsible.

I came here based on the anxiety issues that have started around day 75 of my quit. Bad. Real bad. A few full fledged panic attacks as well. More on that later.

But yes, I saw this guys bullshit when I watched the Marsee story. Thank you for taking this douche bag on, and the fine doctor.

Funny what money will make some people do, huh? Both of them will have their karma catch up to them sooner or later. We are doing the BEST thing. Quitting.

Thanks man. Hang in there with that anxiety stuff, I know it can be scary. See a Doc if you need to. Have any questions pm me anytime.

Seeing a counselor this week. Just feels like I cannot catch a deep satisfying breath, not just during the two 'attacks" I had, but for instance, right now at my desk.

Deciding if I should see my doctor too. While it's not my first preference (which is trail running, but my knees have prevented me from running...), I am NOT against pharmaceutical help for the time being.

[Diesel2112]

First of all, man...good for you.

Not everybody can be saved.  But if one person reads your comments and quits...that person can be.  I'm proud of you.

Secondly, this good doc is full of crap and not just because he is funded by tobacco but because he is saying what we (as users) wanted him to say back then:  it is too impossible to quit nicotine.  He feeds the fear in the these users' heads by telling them "nobody blames you for not being able to quit.  It's OK to fail."

Bull-fucking-shit.

First off, his major hypothesis is that people "cannot or will not quit smoking" so (obviously) replacing cigarettes with snus will lead to "quitting".  First off....duh on the vehicle replacement.  If I didn't hate nicotine so much I might make a nicotine anal plug and claim it is just as effective to aid in "quitting" and is completely invisible to avoid the stigma of people seeing you with something on your mouth.  Would you feed an alcoholic that prefers vodka beers and mouthwash to cure him?  No. 

Secondly, let's concentrate on the "cannot or will not" aspect.  What is the percentage of people on this earth that can live without nicotine?  Is it 100%?  Would anybody die if they didn't get their fix?  No.  So, that means that people cannot "cannot " quit.  That means that's 100% of these users "will not" or "do not want to" quit.  Again...duh. 

His research claims that that sinus lusers lose 15 days of their lives compared to 8 years for smokers.  Physically, I can't disagree with this because...well.  what are we contending?  Does he have a pathway to an alternate dimension where he is tracking these alternate users that are not using over there?  How the fuck does he know?  It's because he is looking at the probability of getting diseases "directly" associated with chewing.  That means the high blood pressure, sleep apnea, circulation issues, etc that comes with the addiction are not included.  Besides, even if I concede the "8 days lost", how many days are spent procuring, using, hiding with your fix?  And it also assumes that users do not need more and more product to feed the addiction.

He is the little voice around that helps peddle this smut.  He is nothing because, ultimately, be can't make people use.  That's up to every one of us.

You're doing a great job.  Keep it up.

Fuck this guy.

I agree and those were some of the points I brought up with the Doctor as we emailed back and forth. He CLAIMED he does not encourage the use of tobacco to anybody, only that he is making people aware of "safer" alternatives to smoking through his tobacco harm reduction campaign. Like hes doing everyone a big favor by recommending replacing nicotine with...nicotine.

I also got him to admit that "chew" like Cope, Kodiak, Skoal, etc...is more harmful than Swedish snuss because of the additional sweeteners and chemicals added to American dip.

I also pointed out that all these kids who are taking his book as a green light to continue dipping aren't using snuss pouches. They're loading their lips with over sized pinches of chew that contain as much nicotine as 3-5 cigarettes. That's when he ended it and said I was doing the right thing and wished me luck.

Fuck it. I'm not afraid to mix it up with a Doctor. Lord knows ive done dumber things in my life, like poision myself with kodiak for 15 years.

So, basically, you won the argument?

Bravo, sir.

Here's the thing. I had to try to watch that video you did. It's fucking idiocy.

Don't believe their lies. The one dude is making money selling spittoons to people while quoting source material advocating spitless snus, and the other is funded primarily by tobacco.

You are living, breathing example of the ability to quit. You are Santa Clause to them.

No sense can come from a dude named "Mudjug".

That Mudjug guy is an idiot. I did not watch the video you guys are talking about but I've seen some of his other stuff. Poke around Youtube and you will find lots of vids of people celebrating dipping. Outlaw is another guy that has dipping vids all over the place. While I didn't watch that vid, I did read though some of the comments. A lot of them are by teenage guys that are young and stupid and easily influenced. I was there once. I started when I was 15. There isn't a lot you can tell a 15 year old kid that is gonna change his mind. People like this asshole Mudjug guy contribute to the whole dipping "lifestyle" that appeals to these kids. It's a shame and it's irresponsible.

I came here based on the anxiety issues that have started around day 75 of my quit. Bad. Real bad. A few full fledged panic attacks as well. More on that later.

But yes, I saw this guys bullshit when I watched the Marsee story. Thank you for taking this douche bag on, and the fine doctor.

Funny what money will make some people do, huh? Both of them will have their karma catch up to them sooner or later. We are doing the BEST thing. Quitting.

Thanks man. Hang in there with that anxiety stuff, I know it can be scary. See a Doc if you need to. Have any questions pm me anytime.

[Boelker62]

First of all, man...good for you.

Not everybody can be saved.  But if one person reads your comments and quits...that person can be.  I'm proud of you.

Secondly, this good doc is full of crap and not just because he is funded by tobacco but because he is saying what we (as users) wanted him to say back then:  it is too impossible to quit nicotine.  He feeds the fear in the these users' heads by telling them "nobody blames you for not being able to quit.  It's OK to fail."

Bull-fucking-shit.

First off, his major hypothesis is that people "cannot or will not quit smoking" so (obviously) replacing cigarettes with snus will lead to "quitting".  First off....duh on the vehicle replacement.  If I didn't hate nicotine so much I might make a nicotine anal plug and claim it is just as effective to aid in "quitting" and is completely invisible to avoid the stigma of people seeing you with something on your mouth.  Would you feed an alcoholic that prefers vodka beers and mouthwash to cure him?  No. 

Secondly, let's concentrate on the "cannot or will not" aspect.  What is the percentage of people on this earth that can live without nicotine?  Is it 100%?  Would anybody die if they didn't get their fix?  No.  So, that means that people cannot "cannot " quit.  That means that's 100% of these users "will not" or "do not want to" quit.  Again...duh. 

His research claims that that sinus lusers lose 15 days of their lives compared to 8 years for smokers.  Physically, I can't disagree with this because...well.  what are we contending?  Does he have a pathway to an alternate dimension where he is tracking these alternate users that are not using over there?  How the fuck does he know?  It's because he is looking at the probability of getting diseases "directly" associated with chewing.  That means the high blood pressure, sleep apnea, circulation issues, etc that comes with the addiction are not included.  Besides, even if I concede the "8 days lost", how many days are spent procuring, using, hiding with your fix?  And it also assumes that users do not need more and more product to feed the addiction.

He is the little voice around that helps peddle this smut.  He is nothing because, ultimately, be can't make people use.  That's up to every one of us.

You're doing a great job.  Keep it up.

Fuck this guy.

I agree and those were some of the points I brought up with the Doctor as we emailed back and forth. He CLAIMED he does not encourage the use of tobacco to anybody, only that he is making people aware of "safer" alternatives to smoking through his tobacco harm reduction campaign. Like hes doing everyone a big favor by recommending replacing nicotine with...nicotine.

I also got him to admit that "chew" like Cope, Kodiak, Skoal, etc...is more harmful than Swedish snuss because of the additional sweeteners and chemicals added to American dip.

I also pointed out that all these kids who are taking his book as a green light to continue dipping aren't using snuss pouches. They're loading their lips with over sized pinches of chew that contain as much nicotine as 3-5 cigarettes. That's when he ended it and said I was doing the right thing and wished me luck.

Fuck it. I'm not afraid to mix it up with a Doctor. Lord knows ive done dumber things in my life, like poision myself with kodiak for 15 years.

So, basically, you won the argument?

Bravo, sir.

Here's the thing. I had to try to watch that video you did. It's fucking idiocy.

Don't believe their lies. The one dude is making money selling spittoons to people while quoting source material advocating spitless snus, and the other is funded primarily by tobacco.

You are living, breathing example of the ability to quit. You are Santa Clause to them.

No sense can come from a dude named "Mudjug".

That Mudjug guy is an idiot. I did not watch the video you guys are talking about but I've seen some of his other stuff. Poke around Youtube and you will find lots of vids of people celebrating dipping. Outlaw is another guy that has dipping vids all over the place. While I didn't watch that vid, I did read though some of the comments. A lot of them are by teenage guys that are young and stupid and easily influenced. I was there once. I started when I was 15. There isn't a lot you can tell a 15 year old kid that is gonna change his mind. People like this asshole Mudjug guy contribute to the whole dipping "lifestyle" that appeals to these kids. It's a shame and it's irresponsible.

I came here based on the anxiety issues that have started around day 75 of my quit. Bad. Real bad. A few full fledged panic attacks as well. More on that later.

But yes, I saw this guys bullshit when I watched the Marsee story. Thank you for taking this douche bag on, and the fine doctor.

Funny what money will make some people do, huh? Both of them will have their karma catch up to them sooner or later. We are doing the BEST thing. Quitting.

[Diesel2112]

What a crazy, busy, exciting, stressful, fun, long, short Thanksgiving weekend. I did a lot of shit...none of it with dip, and I didn't miss it one bit. Didn't need it...never did. Very eye opening stuff to me. I never thought a lot of this was possible. Glad I was wrong.