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[syndrome]

hay dchogs man i see my boy ricko posted up roll yesterday. on the off chanse he comes back to day i'm bumpin your thred up so's he can find it. i left a note in roll for him.

[dchogs]

If you're going to tell the parents, I definitely think you need to let the kids know that it's policy, if they get busted, the parents get told.

That way they know beforehand, so they don't feel like you stabbed them in the back when you do tell the parents. Lose their trust in that way and your whole project is sunk.

absolutely. i have a great relationship with 99% of the kids and wouldn't fuck em over like that. i'm not sure what the legal issues really are... the parents might HAVE to be informed that 1) there was a tobacco violation and 2) the student has opted for a support group option.

there are obviously a lot of details that i'd have to figure out (permission forms, etc)... i'm struggling to even have the big picture issues come into focus.

[dchogs]

DC,

I went to boarding school and you are correct, it was part of our "enviroment". It was a long time ago (92-96) but that's also when I started dipping. Fast forward to now, 34 years old, and I am fighting an addiction that I wish I would have been educated about when I first got caught.

Our punishment for tobacco was either rockpile-digging a hole and filling it back up. Or you could sit in detention for four Saturdays where you had to write a specific sentence over and over, 10 pages front and back worth. Either way, it the reason you brought this up, we only saw it as we got caught doing something we weren't supposed to. Nothing else was gained.

I am not sure what the punishments are at your school but maybe if you could do something along the lines of the student having to do a report on consequences of dipping and then present it. The work would have to be done Saturday mornings. This would still leave some level of punishment intact. Otherwise I think you are going to have a problem with parents and handbook guidelines on tobacco tolerance.

I agree with you, it's gonna be pretty hard to convince a teenager to quit but if you can at least put the knowledge of what they are doing into their head. Might make them think about quitting a lot sooner. I think that would have influenced me. If you wanna talk more, PM or give a call. -cas

i'm not exposed as much to the actual follow through on punishments, but i'm pretty sure we tried the essay route with few, if any, results. i was thinking/hoping that a "support group" option would cover the educational portion along with an accountability portion too.

there isn't a single great solution, or else every boarding school (hell, every school) would be doing that. it's really a universal problem.

[dchogs]

Everyone I know who is a product of boarding school talks about how it was a rite of passage to use tobacco. It's in every movie, too. I think even the preppy handbook talks about where the best place on campus is to hide and smoke.

smoking is less prevalent than dipping here... all-boys school, and smoking is harder to hide. 99% of non-dipping faculty have problems picking out the ninja dipping students. i can spot a ninja dipper a mile away... can't bullshit a bullshitter.

it's kids looking for a buzz, looking to stretch/break rules, and typical teenaged immorality bullshit.

[Gump]

Sorry I missed this yesterday DC. I think that's a great idea.

My question is how you sell the notion of the breakfast club as an opportunity rather than punishment to a 14 year old? I remember being in such a situation and opting for signing a "no use" contract versus a tobacco class-like thing. The class felt like punishment.

Also, would the parents be notified? And what literature is going out to the parents? I know in an educational setting like that the act of sending literature is akin to admitting the school has a problem.

good points... stuff i thought of as well, though i'm not sure i have the answers.

for the punishment question... i was hoping that the short nature of the group (15 min) and the fact that it's essentially a get out of jail free card for one tobacco violation would help. 15 minutes can be a long time for a teenaged kid though.

notifying the parents... another tough one. i'm honestly not sure if the parents are notified for each tobacco violation or not. they probably should be. if they are, then having an educational/supportive alternative might be welcomed.

at the end of the day, what we're doing isn't working all that well. i'm willing to try something because failure would just mean the status quo continued to exist unchanged.


also, to anyone reading, feel free to poke holes in my idea (not that that's what soul was doing or trying to do). it'll make the end produce stronger. just be nice about it, i'm delicate. :blink:

If you're going to tell the parents, I definitely think you need to let the kids know that it's policy, if they get busted, the parents get told.

That way they know beforehand, so they don't feel like you stabbed them in the back when you do tell the parents. Lose their trust in that way and your whole project is sunk.

[Souliman]

Everyone I know who is a product of boarding school talks about how it was a rite of passage to use tobacco. It's in every movie, too. I think even the preppy handbook talks about where the best place on campus is to hide and smoke.

and screw

[lo sprk]

DC,

I went to boarding school and you are correct, it was part of our "enviroment". It was a long time ago (92-96) but that's also when I started dipping. Fast forward to now, 34 years old, and I am fighting an addiction that I wish I would have been educated about when I first got caught.

Our punishment for tobacco was either rockpile-digging a hole and filling it back up. Or you could sit in detention for four Saturdays where you had to write a specific sentence over and over, 10 pages front and back worth. Either way, it the reason you brought this up, we only saw it as we got caught doing something we weren't supposed to. Nothing else was gained.

I am not sure what the punishments are at your school but maybe if you could do something along the lines of the student having to do a report on consequences of dipping and then present it. The work would have to be done Saturday mornings. This would still leave some level of punishment intact. Otherwise I think you are going to have a problem with parents and handbook guidelines on tobacco tolerance.

I agree with you, it's gonna be pretty hard to convince a teenager to quit but if you can at least put the knowledge of what they are doing into their head. Might make them think about quitting a lot sooner. I think that would have influenced me. If you wanna talk more, PM or give a call. -cas

[Scowick65]

Everyone I know who is a product of boarding school talks about how it was a rite of passage to use tobacco. It's in every movie, too. I think even the preppy handbook talks about where the best place on campus is to hide and smoke.

The Dead Can Society

[G]

Everyone I know who is a product of boarding school talks about how it was a rite of passage to use tobacco. It's in every movie, too. I think even the preppy handbook talks about where the best place on campus is to hide and smoke.

[dchogs]

Sorry I missed this yesterday DC. I think that's a great idea.

My question is how you sell the notion of the breakfast club as an opportunity rather than punishment to a 14 year old? I remember being in such a situation and opting for signing a "no use" contract versus a tobacco class-like thing. The class felt like punishment.

Also, would the parents be notified? And what literature is going out to the parents? I know in an educational setting like that the act of sending literature is akin to admitting the school has a problem.

good points... stuff i thought of as well, though i'm not sure i have the answers.

for the punishment question... i was hoping that the short nature of the group (15 min) and the fact that it's essentially a get out of jail free card for one tobacco violation would help. 15 minutes can be a long time for a teenaged kid though.

notifying the parents... another tough one. i'm honestly not sure if the parents are notified for each tobacco violation or not. they probably should be. if they are, then having an educational/supportive alternative might be welcomed.

at the end of the day, what we're doing isn't working all that well. i'm willing to try something because failure would just mean the status quo continued to exist unchanged.


also, to anyone reading, feel free to poke holes in my idea (not that that's what soul was doing or trying to do). it'll make the end produce stronger. just be nice about it, i'm delicate. :blink:

[Souliman]

Sorry I missed this yesterday DC. I think that's a great idea.

My question is how you sell the notion of the breakfast club as an opportunity rather than punishment to a 14 year old? I remember being in such a situation and opting for signing a "no use" contract versus a tobacco class-like thing. The class felt like punishment.

Also, would the parents be notified? And what literature is going out to the parents? I know in an educational setting like that the act of sending literature is akin to admitting the school has a problem.

[dchogs]

i'm sure not many of you know, but i work at a boarding school.  there's something about boarding school culture that seems to inherently PROMOTE dipping despite everyone's "best attempts" to stop it from happening.  the kids that got me dipping in college came from boarding schools, so i feel an extra responsibility to do more than is currently being done.  i caught a kid dipping last night and spent some time counseling him instead of writing up the violation... i'm hoping the education, an understanding (but not accepting) ear, and the sparing of the whip will push him int he right direction.  probably not... 16 year old kids don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.  we were all there, and probably dipping too.

so my question(s) for the fine minds of KTC center around developing a program that is part educational, part support, and part reflective.  does anyone have any experience in starting something like that for kids (grades 9-12)?  i'd love to just have them join here because this is what they need... i just need to somehow mimic what KTC does and make it happen in real life, face-to-face.  please let me know if you have experience or even just some ideas.

my basic thoughts- a "breakfast club" that meets for 15 minutes.  start by reviewing the rules of the group, invite the group to accept the rules, and have a quick verbal roll call.  then i was thinking of either letting the kids riff if they want to (similar to posting in the intro section or ranting in your quit group) or bring in a HoF speech or a post from Words of Wisdom (assuming i have chewie's and/or the author's permission... do i need that?) that we can then talk about.  the group breaks up with handshakes and the kids go about their day.

kids caught dipping would be given the option to simply accept their tobacco violation punishment or to attend the breakfast club (no punishment).  if they attend breakfast club and get caught, they get the tobacco violation punishment regardless but can come back to the group with a "caver post."

what do you guys and gals think?  this is a lot to bite off as it's a huge problem and teenaged boys aren't typically the most outgoing in terms of seeking and using available help.  i also travel a fair amount and would need to have a deputy of some sort some how. 

anyway, i'll stop the mental diarrhea and listen to your advice now.

thanks for your help, and i'm damned proud to be quit with each and every one of you.

sound like somethin ricko wood of done. i'll text his ass and get him over here. assides the fucker aint posted up in like a month.

ok dchogs man ricko texted me back and shood be checkin this out to nite. i no he works with the kids so heres hopin he can help out.

thanks for your help, s.

[syndrome]

i'm sure not many of you know, but i work at a boarding school.  there's something about boarding school culture that seems to inherently PROMOTE dipping despite everyone's "best attempts" to stop it from happening.  the kids that got me dipping in college came from boarding schools, so i feel an extra responsibility to do more than is currently being done.  i caught a kid dipping last night and spent some time counseling him instead of writing up the violation... i'm hoping the education, an understanding (but not accepting) ear, and the sparing of the whip will push him int he right direction.  probably not... 16 year old kids don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.  we were all there, and probably dipping too.

so my question(s) for the fine minds of KTC center around developing a program that is part educational, part support, and part reflective.  does anyone have any experience in starting something like that for kids (grades 9-12)?  i'd love to just have them join here because this is what they need... i just need to somehow mimic what KTC does and make it happen in real life, face-to-face.  please let me know if you have experience or even just some ideas.

my basic thoughts- a "breakfast club" that meets for 15 minutes.  start by reviewing the rules of the group, invite the group to accept the rules, and have a quick verbal roll call.  then i was thinking of either letting the kids riff if they want to (similar to posting in the intro section or ranting in your quit group) or bring in a HoF speech or a post from Words of Wisdom (assuming i have chewie's and/or the author's permission... do i need that?) that we can then talk about.  the group breaks up with handshakes and the kids go about their day.

kids caught dipping would be given the option to simply accept their tobacco violation punishment or to attend the breakfast club (no punishment).  if they attend breakfast club and get caught, they get the tobacco violation punishment regardless but can come back to the group with a "caver post."

what do you guys and gals think?  this is a lot to bite off as it's a huge problem and teenaged boys aren't typically the most outgoing in terms of seeking and using available help.  i also travel a fair amount and would need to have a deputy of some sort some how. 

anyway, i'll stop the mental diarrhea and listen to your advice now.

thanks for your help, and i'm damned proud to be quit with each and every one of you.

sound like somethin ricko wood of done. i'll text his ass and get him over here. assides the fucker aint posted up in like a month.

ok dchogs man ricko texted me back and shood be checkin this out to nite. i no he works with the kids so heres hopin he can help out.

[syndrome]

i'm sure not many of you know, but i work at a boarding school. there's something about boarding school culture that seems to inherently PROMOTE dipping despite everyone's "best attempts" to stop it from happening. the kids that got me dipping in college came from boarding schools, so i feel an extra responsibility to do more than is currently being done. i caught a kid dipping last night and spent some time counseling him instead of writing up the violation... i'm hoping the education, an understanding (but not accepting) ear, and the sparing of the whip will push him int he right direction. probably not... 16 year old kids don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. we were all there, and probably dipping too.

so my question(s) for the fine minds of KTC center around developing a program that is part educational, part support, and part reflective. does anyone have any experience in starting something like that for kids (grades 9-12)? i'd love to just have them join here because this is what they need... i just need to somehow mimic what KTC does and make it happen in real life, face-to-face. please let me know if you have experience or even just some ideas.

my basic thoughts- a "breakfast club" that meets for 15 minutes. start by reviewing the rules of the group, invite the group to accept the rules, and have a quick verbal roll call. then i was thinking of either letting the kids riff if they want to (similar to posting in the intro section or ranting in your quit group) or bring in a HoF speech or a post from Words of Wisdom (assuming i have chewie's and/or the author's permission... do i need that?) that we can then talk about. the group breaks up with handshakes and the kids go about their day.

kids caught dipping would be given the option to simply accept their tobacco violation punishment or to attend the breakfast club (no punishment). if they attend breakfast club and get caught, they get the tobacco violation punishment regardless but can come back to the group with a "caver post."

what do you guys and gals think? this is a lot to bite off as it's a huge problem and teenaged boys aren't typically the most outgoing in terms of seeking and using available help. i also travel a fair amount and would need to have a deputy of some sort some how.

anyway, i'll stop the mental diarrhea and listen to your advice now.

thanks for your help, and i'm damned proud to be quit with each and every one of you.

sound like somethin ricko wood of done. i'll text his ass and get him over here. assides the fucker aint posted up in like a month.

[dchogs]

i'm sure not many of you know, but i work at a boarding school. there's something about boarding school culture that seems to inherently PROMOTE dipping despite everyone's "best attempts" to stop it from happening. the kids that got me dipping in college came from boarding schools, so i feel an extra responsibility to do more than is currently being done. i caught a kid dipping last night and spent some time counseling him instead of writing up the violation... i'm hoping the education, an understanding (but not accepting) ear, and the sparing of the whip will push him int he right direction. probably not... 16 year old kids don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. we were all there, and probably dipping too.

so my question(s) for the fine minds of KTC center around developing a program that is part educational, part support, and part reflective. does anyone have any experience in starting something like that for kids (grades 9-12)? i'd love to just have them join here because this is what they need... i just need to somehow mimic what KTC does and make it happen in real life, face-to-face. please let me know if you have experience or even just some ideas.

my basic thoughts- a "breakfast club" that meets for 15 minutes. start by reviewing the rules of the group, invite the group to accept the rules, and have a quick verbal roll call. then i was thinking of either letting the kids riff if they want to (similar to posting in the intro section or ranting in your quit group) or bring in a HoF speech or a post from Words of Wisdom (assuming i have chewie's and/or the author's permission... do i need that?) that we can then talk about. the group breaks up with handshakes and the kids go about their day.

kids caught dipping would be given the option to simply accept their tobacco violation punishment or to attend the breakfast club (no punishment). if they attend breakfast club and get caught, they get the tobacco violation punishment regardless but can come back to the group with a "caver post."

what do you guys and gals think? this is a lot to bite off as it's a huge problem and teenaged boys aren't typically the most outgoing in terms of seeking and using available help. i also travel a fair amount and would need to have a deputy of some sort some how.

anyway, i'll stop the mental diarrhea and listen to your advice now.

thanks for your help, and i'm damned proud to be quit with each and every one of you.