My good cave

[Wt57]

INTEGRITY
The past couple of days I've been reflecting upon the journey that I've been on. I had a conversation with a quit brother in chat the other day that lead to several pm's and some really deep thought for me. We had discussed integrity. I told him that I thought that I had integrity in most every aspect of my life but the ninja dipping that I had been involved in for nearly 40 yrs. Upon reflection I started questioning myself, was that statement really true?  What is integrity?

in·teg·ri·ty/inˈtegritç/Noun:
1.The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
2.The state of being whole and undivided: "territorial integrity".

Another definition that I like for integrity is what you do when no one is looking (or you don't think they are looking) In my reflecting on this journey I've read back in my intro and alot of the personal messages I've sent and recieved. Some of the things that I have said, (even if for shock value) are not things that meet up to my moral principles. Thus I've determined that I don't have near the integrity that I thought I had.
This conversation with this brother has lead me to rethinking my quit and my relationship with my fellow quiters. My Quit has been strengthened, I believe that my personal integrity can also be strengthened in this process. But just like my fight with my addiction my fight with being who I really am or want to be doesn't come automatic it must be worked on. Thank You Bro.

[Wt57]

WARNINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE LEAD EACH OF US TO QUIT DIP!!
I always tried to ignore or pretend I didn't see the warning.
WARNING: This product can cause mouth cancer.
WARNING: This product can cause gum disease and tooth loss.
WARNING: This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes.
WARNING: Smokeless tobacco is addictive

6 WARNINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE LEAD ME TO QUIT DIP!!
1. In 1983 I watched my grandmother die a dreadful death from CANCER.   
2.   In 1989 I watched my Sister-in-law get CANCER at the age of 26, she went into remission only to have it return a year later in her brain and she died leaving a 3 yr. old daughter with a father that died 1 yr. later of nicotine addiction related disease.
3.   In 1990 I watched my good friend and hunting buddy Roe die of ORAL CANCER from dipping. Read his story in my early intro titled Why Quit April 23
4.   In 1995 my younger brother was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma. He survived but the Dr. warned the family of the propensity of CANCER in our family.
5.   In 2000 the same brother had a daughter also get stage 4 melanoma. Now the Dr. say that the propensity just greatly increased.
6.   Over the past 20 yrs. I have had numerous skin cancers and precancerous spots removed, but ignored the warnings.

It doesn't matter that the reason I quit had nothing to do with these 6 warnings that I was given, what matters is that I quit and that NICOTINE IS NO LONGER A PART OF MY LIFE.
WARNING: To all smokeless tobacco users that may be reading this and not yet quit, QUIT!

[Mthomas3824]

Am I an ADDICT OR DO I HAVE A HABIT??
I have seen this bantered about here on KTC since I first joined and people often mistakenly say that they have the bad habit of nicotine use.  The putting nicotine into the body is definitely an addiction!  I have been addicted to nicotine for years and my use is perfectly described in the following definition of Addiction.  If you read further the definition of a Habit, my use of smokeless tobacco I contend was a habit.  The main reason that I use to prove that it was a habit is that the use of fake dip wouldn't do any good for the addiction but it would satisfy the habit.  I used fake dip for the first 50- 60 days of my quit on a regular basis, and then it just started becoming more of an annoyance.  Now I keep it around for when my addiction  causes me to crave the nicotine.  The fake dip tricks my body into thinking that I'm feeding it the same thing It desires and wants.  When in reality all I'm doing is giving it that placebo. This is exactly why the use of patches, gum, nasal sprays or any other form of nicotine is totally not acceptable, because they continue to feed the addiction.  It is also why products like fake dip, seeds, gum, cat shit or whatever are acceptable the satisfy the habit but provide no nicotine for the addiction.

Definition of ADDICTION
1 the quality or state of being addicted
2 compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly: persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

Definition of  HABIT
1. an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary: the habit of looking both ways before crossing the street.
2. customary practice or use: Daily bathing is an American habit.
3. a particular practice, custom, or usage: the habit of shaking hands.
4. a dominant or regular disposition or tendency; prevailing character or quality: She has a habit of looking at the bright side of things.

I am a tad confused what your final verdict is ...habit or addiction ?

No question about it and I didnt mean to stutter I'm an addict But I also had a habit of always having something in my mouth!

So did you spit or swallow? :)

[Wt57]

Am I an ADDICT OR DO I HAVE A HABIT??
I have seen this bantered about here on KTC since I first joined and people often mistakenly say that they have the bad habit of nicotine use.  The putting nicotine into the body is definitely an addiction!  I have been addicted to nicotine for years and my use is perfectly described in the following definition of Addiction.  If you read further the definition of a Habit, my use of smokeless tobacco I contend was a habit.  The main reason that I use to prove that it was a habit is that the use of fake dip wouldn't do any good for the addiction but it would satisfy the habit.  I used fake dip for the first 50- 60 days of my quit on a regular basis, and then it just started becoming more of an annoyance.  Now I keep it around for when my addiction  causes me to crave the nicotine.  The fake dip tricks my body into thinking that I'm feeding it the same thing It desires and wants.  When in reality all I'm doing is giving it that placebo. This is exactly why the use of patches, gum, nasal sprays or any other form of nicotine is totally not acceptable, because they continue to feed the addiction.  It is also why products like fake dip, seeds, gum, cat shit or whatever are acceptable the satisfy the habit but provide no nicotine for the addiction.

Definition of ADDICTION
1 the quality or state of being addicted
2 compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly: persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

Definition of  HABIT
1. an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary: the habit of looking both ways before crossing the street.
2. customary practice or use: Daily bathing is an American habit.
3. a particular practice, custom, or usage: the habit of shaking hands.
4. a dominant or regular disposition or tendency; prevailing character or quality: She has a habit of looking at the bright side of things.

I am a tad confused what your final verdict is ...habit or addiction ?

No question about it and I didnt mean to stutter I'm an addict But I also had a habit of always having something in my mouth!

[carumba10]

Am I an ADDICT OR DO I HAVE A HABIT??
I have seen this bantered about here on KTC since I first joined and people often mistakenly say that they have the bad habit of nicotine use. The putting nicotine into the body is definitely an addiction! I have been addicted to nicotine for years and my use is perfectly described in the following definition of Addiction. If you read further the definition of a Habit, my use of smokeless tobacco I contend was a habit. The main reason that I use to prove that it was a habit is that the use of fake dip wouldn't do any good for the addiction but it would satisfy the habit. I used fake dip for the first 50- 60 days of my quit on a regular basis, and then it just started becoming more of an annoyance. Now I keep it around for when my addiction causes me to crave the nicotine. The fake dip tricks my body into thinking that I'm feeding it the same thing It desires and wants. When in reality all I'm doing is giving it that placebo. This is exactly why the use of patches, gum, nasal sprays or any other form of nicotine is totally not acceptable, because they continue to feed the addiction. It is also why products like fake dip, seeds, gum, cat shit or whatever are acceptable the satisfy the habit but provide no nicotine for the addiction.

Definition of ADDICTION
1 the quality or state of being addicted
2 compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly: persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

Definition of HABIT
1. an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary: the habit of looking both ways before crossing the street.
2. customary practice or use: Daily bathing is an American habit.
3. a particular practice, custom, or usage: the habit of shaking hands.
4. a dominant or regular disposition or tendency; prevailing character or quality: She has a habit of looking at the bright side of things.

I am a tad confused what your final verdict is ...habit or addiction ?

[Wt57]

Am I an ADDICT OR DO I HAVE A HABIT??
I have seen this bantered about here on KTC since I first joined and people often mistakenly say that they have the bad habit of nicotine use. The putting nicotine into the body is definitely an addiction! I have been addicted to nicotine for years and my use is perfectly described in the following definition of Addiction. If you read further the definition of a Habit, my use of smokeless tobacco I contend was a habit. The main reason that I use to prove that it was a habit is that the use of fake dip wouldn't do any good for the addiction but it would satisfy the habit. I used fake dip for the first 50- 60 days of my quit on a regular basis, and then it just started becoming more of an annoyance. Now I keep it around for when my addiction causes me to crave the nicotine. The fake dip tricks my body into thinking that I'm feeding it the same thing It desires and wants. When in reality all I'm doing is giving it that placebo. This is exactly why the use of patches, gum, nasal sprays or any other form of nicotine is totally not acceptable, because they continue to feed the addiction. It is also why products like fake dip, seeds, gum, cat shit or whatever are acceptable the satisfy the habit but provide no nicotine for the addiction.

Definition of ADDICTION
1 the quality or state of being addicted
2 compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly: persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful

Definition of HABIT
1. an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary: the habit of looking both ways before crossing the street.
2. customary practice or use: Daily bathing is an American habit.
3. a particular practice, custom, or usage: the habit of shaking hands.
4. a dominant or regular disposition or tendency; prevailing character or quality: She has a habit of looking at the bright side of things.

[mikegooch]

This quit is different for me too? I've quit 100s of times as well but this quit is completely different? I am certain it is you guys  KTC that has made the difference. I am committed this time.. Before I guess I've had a wish to quit or been involved with an effort to quit.. but now it's serious.  i really feel like after this I can accomplish anything I want! Thx for the text yesterday. Craves kicked my ass all day yesterday.. Worse on day 6 than 1-5? That don't make sense. What I have read after 3 days the nic is out of my system. I know its a bitch? Been sober for 9 years sometimes I still have drunk dreams? Out addictions want us back for life and will never be so far away that I should think I am cured all the way? One dip.One chew. One tiny hit of nic.. Im fucked..

[rangy96]

Actually this same group is the only ones that know IÂ’ve had this terrible addiction for all of these years. The self-loathing has started to pass........

I am hearing what you are preaching WT57. And it is good! Self loathing sucks and it will slowly kill your soul.

[Wt57]

LIFE GOES ON
77 days have come and gone. I donÂ’t know where that time has gone but IÂ’m grateful for the help from all my new found friends here. As time passes I often step back and reflect on what has happened, and how my quit differs from the past times that I have tried to stop. The big obvious for me is that this is the 1st time in 38 yrs. That I did it for me. No one pushed, encouraged, threatened or in any way tried to persuade me into quitting. I canÂ’t count the times that I threw cans out the window vowing to quit, and they were also without outside encouragement, rather they were out of guilt, embarrassment, self-loathing and self-appeasement. (thatÂ’s right I wanted to say that I had tried and that it was too hard) My decision to quit was in the plan for months and it was something that I really wanted. I also knew that it was a partial cause for my severe depression, and to end one I had to end the other and visa versa. Progress on both are coming along very well and I credit that to KTC and my new found friends. Many times the bitch has tried to persuade me to give up that it is still too hard that IÂ’m a failure and that IÂ’ll never make it. Well guess what she is wrong, dead wrong, IÂ’m strong and love my freedom and hate the shit worse now than I ever have before. Other than you my fellow quitters and my wife the only other person that knows what IÂ’ve been going through is my religious leader whom IÂ’ve shared my struggle with. Actually this same group is the only ones that know IÂ’ve had this terrible addiction for all of these years. The self-loathing has started to pass and IÂ’m really beginning so appreciate myself as a person. My quit is and always will be 1 day at a time but those days are beginning to get shorter and easier.

[Grizzly25]

THE HIDDEN TRIGGER THAT I FOUND!
I started having Craves again and just couldn't get it, So soon after my last funk. I decided to search myself and see if there was a trigger that I was missing. There just didn't seem to be any real trigger in my work or family that was causing me to crave and get so depressed, My quit is solid, I love the new found freedom, I've got a lot of new friends here on KTC that have pulled me through some really miserable shit. Basically Life is good IÂ’m happy, So why the strong craves, I understand the day to day short-lived craves and the trigger driven craves. But what is making me crave?
My entire adult life I have used tobacco! When I wanted to stay awake for long periods of time I dipped, when I wanted the special moment alone I dipped, ah hell I dipped all the time even if I didn't have a reason or didn't recognize the reason. So in searching for a reason or trigger for my craving I realized one of my major times to dip was when there was conflict in my life, it was my escape. It was my refuge from life and the drama around me.
So why am I craving now when life is good, IÂ’m so happy with myself and my new whole new life?? I think I found the answer right here on KTC. It is my way of handling conflict; I always just avoided it by dipping and now that the dip isn't an option what do I do? I havenÂ’t figured that out yet so I revert back to the only thing I know and that is to withdraw with a dip: Thus the trigger and the crave. Each of these intense craves that I have experienced for no apparent reason have come to me as drama unfolds online (rather it is brought on by caves or other personality differences). I've tried to insert myself into the drama, tried to help smooth issues over. I have gotten involved in giving people shit. Still I hate conflict, I want to hide from it, I want to avoid it! The solution for me, it shouldn't be a problem anymore now that I know what the trigger is and recognize it. I need to learn how to deal with conflict without dip. Just part of the rewiring and training myself to live dip free. IÂ’m not saying that the conflict and giving people hell for caving is bad. Just the opposite I detest a cave. Caving makes me sick; it shows weakness and is one of the worse forms of conflict for me. I need to separate the CAVE from the CAVER!
We've seen some really weak excuses for caving lately and the cavers need to man up and decide rather they are serious about quitting! I will continue to be there to help them if they want help, but I will also be there to give them shit for being weak pussies. I will not withdraw and allow the nic bitch to try regaining any control of my thoughts. JUST MORE SUCK TO EMBRACE!!
I guess my point is that over the many years of addiction and living life with nicotine recognizing everyday activities that we have relied on nicotine as a crutch for are sometimes difficult see. I believe that every crave is triggered by something rather it is physical or psychological.

Very well put!

I have noticed that all those times where the little nic bitch would accompany me I have not really missed but there was definetly a void! I started to use Smokey Mountain and it has helped a ton!

I do notice instead of taking a shot of smokey I just take a few deep breathes and work my way thru and I am starting to see that not only do I [/B]NOT need nicotene but I am much more leveled than before.

I will continue to watch for the "Hidden Triggers" thanks for the good post!

Stay Strong, Focused  QUIT!!!!!

[Wt57]

THE HIDDEN TRIGGER THAT I FOUND!
I started having Craves again and just couldn't get it, So soon after my last funk. I decided to search myself and see if there was a trigger that I was missing. There just didn't seem to be any real trigger in my work or family that was causing me to crave and get so depressed, My quit is solid, I love the new found freedom, I've got a lot of new friends here on KTC that have pulled me through some really miserable shit. Basically Life is good IÂ’m happy, So why the strong craves, I understand the day to day short-lived craves and the trigger driven craves. But what is making me crave?
My entire adult life I have used tobacco! When I wanted to stay awake for long periods of time I dipped, when I wanted the special moment alone I dipped, ah hell I dipped all the time even if I didn't have a reason or didn't recognize the reason. So in searching for a reason or trigger for my craving I realized one of my major times to dip was when there was conflict in my life, it was my escape. It was my refuge from life and the drama around me.
So why am I craving now when life is good, IÂ’m so happy with myself and my new whole new life?? I think I found the answer right here on KTC. It is my way of handling conflict; I always just avoided it by dipping and now that the dip isn't an option what do I do? I havenÂ’t figured that out yet so I revert back to the only thing I know and that is to withdraw with a dip: Thus the trigger and the crave. Each of these intense craves that I have experienced for no apparent reason have come to me as drama unfolds online (rather it is brought on by caves or other personality differences). I've tried to insert myself into the drama, tried to help smooth issues over. I have gotten involved in giving people shit. Still I hate conflict, I want to hide from it, I want to avoid it! The solution for me, it shouldn't be a problem anymore now that I know what the trigger is and recognize it. I need to learn how to deal with conflict without dip. Just part of the rewiring and training myself to live dip free. IÂ’m not saying that the conflict and giving people hell for caving is bad. Just the opposite I detest a cave. Caving makes me sick; it shows weakness and is one of the worse forms of conflict for me. I need to separate the CAVE from the CAVER!
We've seen some really weak excuses for caving lately and the cavers need to man up and decide rather they are serious about quitting! I will continue to be there to help them if they want help, but I will also be there to give them shit for being weak pussies. I will not withdraw and allow the nic bitch to try regaining any control of my thoughts. JUST MORE SUCK TO EMBRACE!!
I guess my point is that over the many years of addiction and living life with nicotine recognizing everyday activities that we have relied on nicotine as a crutch for are sometimes difficult see. I believe that every crave is triggered by something rather it is physical or psychological.

[Suck-It]

Day 69 Im back and my funk has passed! finally!

ONE DAY (unit) AT A TIME!

What a simple concept, almost too simple to take serious until you think about it. 

Life is about one day at a time.  Each of our lives began as one day at a time.  One word, one step, one friend,   some of the days were rewarding and successful others not so much. (I’ve been working on this one for 55 yrs)

Those of you that are married: marriage is one day at a time, some fun and rewarding others difficult and depressing. (IÂ’ve been working on this one for 32 yr)

Raising children:  One exciting moment and success after another,  stumbles and falls, ups and downs, happy days and really sad days.  One sleepless night after another when they are newborn to one sleepless night after another when they are teens. (I’ve been working on this one for 31 yrs)

Addiction to NICOTINE:  That happened one day (one pinch) at a time;  I seriously doubt that any of you started dipping a full can a day.  For me it was probably a small pinch every day or two, then a pinch a day,  a pinch two or three times a day, Till I had the shit in my mouth literally 24/7.  (I’ve been working on this one for nearly 40 yrs.)

QUIT:  Why should our quit be any different?  Simply stated it can’t be. Quitting our addiction to nicotine is a process, a long process, one day at a time.  It may end up being one minute at a time when we first start the process.  Remember ONE UNIT AT A TIME.   One day, one minute, one success, one triumph, one crave, one trigger, one cry, one rage , etc. (I’ve been working on this one for 69 days)

When each day ends I will continue to examine how I preformed that day and how I can improve on it, when I report in the next day.  This is the process of Life, Live it to your greatest potential and be proud of your accomplishments.  I have got to say that I am proud of my quit and proud to be quit with each of you addicts.  Because of my addiction I haven't allowed myself to be proud of much for a very long time.

This is some really good stuff - hey Mods, could you please add this to Words of Wisdom!

I will second that motion!!!!

Great stuff WT truly great read!

When shit gets broken down like that it is always clear thoughts like those that can make or keep someone on the quit path!

Great work WT - very true. One day at a time!!! I quit with you on this fine Sunday. Will need some extra strength today but will be fine because I quit today!!!

[Grizzly25]

Day 69 Im back and my funk has passed! finally!

ONE DAY (unit) AT A TIME!

What a simple concept, almost too simple to take serious until you think about it. 

Life is about one day at a time.  Each of our lives began as one day at a time.  One word, one step, one friend,   some of the days were rewarding and successful others not so much. (I’ve been working on this one for 55 yrs)

Those of you that are married: marriage is one day at a time, some fun and rewarding others difficult and depressing. (IÂ’ve been working on this one for 32 yr)

Raising children:  One exciting moment and success after another,  stumbles and falls, ups and downs, happy days and really sad days.  One sleepless night after another when they are newborn to one sleepless night after another when they are teens. (I’ve been working on this one for 31 yrs)

Addiction to NICOTINE:  That happened one day (one pinch) at a time;  I seriously doubt that any of you started dipping a full can a day.  For me it was probably a small pinch every day or two, then a pinch a day,  a pinch two or three times a day, Till I had the shit in my mouth literally 24/7.  (I’ve been working on this one for nearly 40 yrs.)

QUIT:  Why should our quit be any different?  Simply stated it can’t be. Quitting our addiction to nicotine is a process, a long process, one day at a time.  It may end up being one minute at a time when we first start the process.  Remember ONE UNIT AT A TIME.   One day, one minute, one success, one triumph, one crave, one trigger, one cry, one rage , etc. (I’ve been working on this one for 69 days)

When each day ends I will continue to examine how I preformed that day and how I can improve on it, when I report in the next day.  This is the process of Life, Live it to your greatest potential and be proud of your accomplishments.  I have got to say that I am proud of my quit and proud to be quit with each of you addicts.  Because of my addiction I haven't allowed myself to be proud of much for a very long time.

This is some really good stuff - hey Mods, could you please add this to Words of Wisdom!

I will second that motion!!!!

Great stuff WT truly great read!

When shit gets broken down like that it is always clear thoughts like those that can make or keep someone on the quit path!

[Notdeadyet]

Day 69 Im back and my funk has passed! finally!

ONE DAY (unit) AT A TIME!

What a simple concept, almost too simple to take serious until you think about it. 

Life is about one day at a time.  Each of our lives began as one day at a time.  One word, one step, one friend,  some of the days were rewarding and successful others not so much. (I’ve been working on this one for 55 yrs)

Those of you that are married: marriage is one day at a time, some fun and rewarding others difficult and depressing. (IÂ’ve been working on this one for 32 yr)

Raising children:  One exciting moment and success after another,  stumbles and falls, ups and downs, happy days and really sad days.  One sleepless night after another when they are newborn to one sleepless night after another when they are teens. (I’ve been working on this one for 31 yrs)

Addiction to NICOTINE:  That happened one day (one pinch) at a time;  I seriously doubt that any of you started dipping a full can a day.  For me it was probably a small pinch every day or two, then a pinch a day,  a pinch two or three times a day, Till I had the shit in my mouth literally 24/7.  (I’ve been working on this one for nearly 40 yrs.)

QUIT:  Why should our quit be any different?  Simply stated it can’t be. Quitting our addiction to nicotine is a process, a long process, one day at a time.  It may end up being one minute at a time when we first start the process.  Remember ONE UNIT AT A TIME.  One day, one minute, one success, one triumph, one crave, one trigger, one cry, one rage , etc. (I’ve been working on this one for 69 days)

When each day ends I will continue to examine how I preformed that day and how I can improve on it, when I report in the next day.  This is the process of Life, Live it to your greatest potential and be proud of your accomplishments.  I have got to say that I am proud of my quit and proud to be quit with each of you addicts.  Because of my addiction I haven't allowed myself to be proud of much for a very long time.

This is some really good stuff - hey Mods, could you please add this to Words of Wisdom!

[Mthomas3824]

Day 69 Im back and my funk has passed! finally!

ONE DAY (unit) AT A TIME!

What a simple concept, almost too simple to take serious until you think about it. 

Life is about one day at a time.  Each of our lives began as one day at a time.  One word, one step, one friend,  some of the days were rewarding and successful others not so much. (I’ve been working on this one for 55 yrs)

Those of you that are married: marriage is one day at a time, some fun and rewarding others difficult and depressing. (IÂ’ve been working on this one for 32 yr)

Raising children:  One exciting moment and success after another,  stumbles and falls, ups and downs, happy days and really sad days.  One sleepless night after another when they are newborn to one sleepless night after another when they are teens. (I’ve been working on this one for 31 yrs)

Addiction to NICOTINE:  That happened one day (one pinch) at a time;  I seriously doubt that any of you started dipping a full can a day.  For me it was probably a small pinch every day or two, then a pinch a day,  a pinch two or three times a day, Till I had the shit in my mouth literally 24/7.  (I’ve been working on this one for nearly 40 yrs.)

QUIT:  Why should our quit be any different?  Simply stated it can’t be. Quitting our addiction to nicotine is a process, a long process, one day at a time.  It may end up being one minute at a time when we first start the process.  Remember ONE UNIT AT A TIME.  One day, one minute, one success, one triumph, one crave, one trigger, one cry, one rage , etc. (I’ve been working on this one for 69 days)

When each day ends I will continue to examine how I preformed that day and how I can improve on it, when I report in the next day.  This is the process of Life, Live it to your greatest potential and be proud of your accomplishments.  I have got to say that I am proud of my quit and proud to be quit with each of you addicts.  Because of my addiction I haven't allowed myself to be proud of much for a very long time.

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You are quit! Great thoughts and once truth is spoken, nothing more to add. It just sinks in. Thanks for enlightening me this morning.