General Discussion - 2016

[pky1520]

General quit discussion, questions, answers, etc.

Guests looking to quit looking for answers are welcome.

I'm in day 6 of my quit. I've used nicotine lozenges here and there for the past week. Curious what your thoughts are on using "aids" to stop dipping.

Nic gum and lozenges are all just different delivery systems for the same drug. You aren't actually quit yet. Dip, cigs, cigars, vape, gum, lozenge - it's all a nicotine addiction.

To quit, you need to drop it all, cold turkey.

Weaning down or using NRT just doesn't work. Every use of nicotine resets the addiction in your brain. By trying to lessen use or wean down, you just prolong painful withdrawal.

Luckily, nicotine washes from your system in only three days. Withdrawal and fog can last a long time, but it won't kill you and it will get better.

The folks here will help pull you through, but you have to commit. Throw away all tobacco/ Nic products and then find the December quit group and post a Day 1. That will be your first daily promise not to use. Repeat that every morning, as soon as you reasonably can, and you will break free.

I'm happy to help or clarify anything you need.

[RReed]

General quit discussion, questions, answers, etc.

Guests looking to quit looking for answers are welcome.

I'm in day 6 of my quit. I've used nicotine lozenges here and there for the past week. Curious what your thoughts are on using "aids" to stop dipping.

[chewie]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

I'm not going to pile on. You know the collective view on this failure.

I'll simply point this out.

You're not ready. You ended this with "I hope". Hope isn't a strategy for successful quitting.

When you're ready, truly ready, we'll be here. I'd suggest you give this a once over. It may sound like splitting hairs but your vocabulary and how you think and speak about your quit can make all the difference.

You hope you can quit.

I KNOW it.

http://blog.killthecan.org/2009/12/chan ... ocabulary/

Chewie

[chewie]

PPM. Look at Docs signature line. What does it say? It says " never again". When you post a Day 1, that's the attitude, resolve, and conviction that you must have to succeed. As in never again despite any consequences of that decision. Its not easy. And there really are consequences to that decision. You may lose friends. You may never get to go places you went before because there are smokers/dippers there. Lots of folks change stores that they used to go to buy their nicotine. Nothing in life can remain that jeopardizes your quit. This works when you have a "never again" resolve. Only then will attempts to quit be successful.

I don't really know why, but this time this really bothers me. Its not my first time to pour out myself and experience here into someone that caved and left. But you Joe, this bothers me. Maybe its because you responded to our loss of Todd/Trauma. Maybe so. Maybe I saw some of my self in you and want you to experience what I have experienced here. Freedom.

You said you were a firefighter. So am I. Professional firefighter for 23 years now. Fires are really not the main part of the job. EMS is. See lots of sick folks. Lots of dead folks. If your reading this I want you to know I was thinking about you last night. Had a call at 3 am. Folks had just got back that evening from vacation in Florida. The man woke his wife up with very loud snoring sounds she said. Probably was agonal respirations. She said he had high blood pressure and was a heavy smoker. Kinda over weight. His wife was in the room with us and maybe a daughter or granddaughter. He was in full arrest. We performed CPR for 35 minutes. It ended in us telling his wife we were sorry for her loss. Today that wife was living her first day without her husband. Today could have been a different day for that woman. If her husband had done years ago what he has known all along that he should do, he would still be here today.

We both give accountability here and agree to receive accountability for one reason. That we may live long healthy lives through the freedom we earn here. I appeal to your senses as a man, a husband, a father, a friend to others, and as a member of your community and church. Who will take your place when you are gone before your time do to this very overcome able addiction? Now is the time to change the outcome of your life.

Want to pull this out... cause it's brilliant. Thank you sir.

Chewie

[Backwoods901]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

You almost sound relieved....life just got too troublesome to just say you won't dip today... What a weak ass excuse. Imagine what the guy went through that made you take a look at this place. Yeah I mean Todd. He was at the end and he knew it. He honored his word to the end. Guess you would have said screw it gimme a dip... Don't come in here again until you take us and your quit seriously. Good luck with whatever process you think you are going to use to get to that day one in the sky... And btw, remember when I said gdub was the salt of the earth? It's because he wouldn't pull some shit stunt like this believe you me bub... Enjoy stuffin your face...

PPM. Look at Docs signature line. What does it say? It says " never again". When you post a Day 1, that's the attitude, resolve, and conviction that you must have to succeed. As in never again despite any consequences of that decision. Its not easy. And there really are consequences to that decision. You may lose friends. You may never get to go places you went before because there are smokers/dippers there. Lots of folks change stores that they used to go to buy their nicotine. Nothing in life can remain that jeopardizes your quit. This works when you have a "never again" resolve. Only then will attempts to quit be successful.

I don't really know why, but this time this really bothers me. Its not my first time to pour out myself and experience here into someone that caved and left. But you Joe, this bothers me. Maybe its because you responded to our loss of Todd/Trauma. Maybe so. Maybe I saw some of my self in you and want you to experience what I have experienced here. Freedom.

You said you were a firefighter. So am I. Professional firefighter for 23 years now. Fires are really not the main part of the job. EMS is. See lots of sick folks. Lots of dead folks. If your reading this I want you to know I was thinking about you last night. Had a call at 3 am. Folks had just got back that evening from vacation in Florida. The man woke his wife up with very loud snoring sounds she said. Probably was agonal respirations. She said he had high blood pressure and was a heavy smoker. Kinda over weight. His wife was in the room with us and maybe a daughter or granddaughter. He was in full arrest. We performed CPR for 35 minutes. It ended in us telling his wife we were sorry for her loss. Today that wife was living her first day without her husband. Today could have been a different day for that woman. If her husband had done years ago what he has known all along that he should do, he would still be here today.

We both give accountability here and agree to receive accountability for one reason. That we may live long healthy lives through the freedom we earn here. I appeal to your senses as a man, a husband, a father, a friend to others, and as a member of your community and church. Who will take your place when you are gone before your time do to this very overcome able addiction? Now is the time to change the outcome of your life.

Gdubya,

Thank you for posting about your call, that hits true to home I was a volunteer for years and am currently aiming to go back to firefighting in the next few years as a career and my brother is a firefighter/medic. With that it hits true to home because why should we riddle ourselves with the potential to hurt ourselves and voluntarily cut our lives short for a can.

I for one am quit with you and thank you for all you do.

[MonsterMedic]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

You almost sound relieved....life just got too troublesome to just say you won't dip today... What a weak ass excuse. Imagine what the guy went through that made you take a look at this place. Yeah I mean Todd. He was at the end and he knew it. He honored his word to the end. Guess you would have said screw it gimme a dip... Don't come in here again until you take us and your quit seriously. Good luck with whatever process you think you are going to use to get to that day one in the sky... And btw, remember when I said gdub was the salt of the earth? It's because he wouldn't pull some shit stunt like this believe you me bub... Enjoy stuffin your face...

PPM. Look at Docs signature line. What does it say? It says " never again". When you post a Day 1, that's the attitude, resolve, and conviction that you must have to succeed. As in never again despite any consequences of that decision. Its not easy. And there really are consequences to that decision. You may lose friends. You may never get to go places you went before because there are smokers/dippers there. Lots of folks change stores that they used to go to buy their nicotine. Nothing in life can remain that jeopardizes your quit. This works when you have a "never again" resolve. Only then will attempts to quit be successful.

I don't really know why, but this time this really bothers me. Its not my first time to pour out myself and experience here into someone that caved and left. But you Joe, this bothers me. Maybe its because you responded to our loss of Todd/Trauma. Maybe so. Maybe I saw some of my self in you and want you to experience what I have experienced here. Freedom.

You said you were a firefighter. So am I. Professional firefighter for 23 years now. Fires are really not the main part of the job. EMS is. See lots of sick folks. Lots of dead folks. If your reading this I want you to know I was thinking about you last night. Had a call at 3 am. Folks had just got back that evening from vacation in Florida. The man woke his wife up with very loud snoring sounds she said. Probably was agonal respirations. She said he had high blood pressure and was a heavy smoker. Kinda over weight. His wife was in the room with us and maybe a daughter or granddaughter. He was in full arrest. We performed CPR for 35 minutes. It ended in us telling his wife we were sorry for her loss. Today that wife was living her first day without her husband. Today could have been a different day for that woman. If her husband had done years ago what he has known all along that he should do, he would still be here today.

We both give accountability here and agree to receive accountability for one reason. That we may live long healthy lives through the freedom we earn here. I appeal to your senses as a man, a husband, a father, a friend to others, and as a member of your community and church. Who will take your place when you are gone before your time do to this very overcome able addiction? Now is the time to change the outcome of your life.

You need to look very hard at yourself in the mirror is all I can say!!! You basically shit on us and we still welcomed back when you had a "change" in heart an said you really wanted to do whatever it takes to rid your life of that crap. Enjoy that "nice" fat juicy dip.

Hope you like that cancer dirt. Don't worry, we'll be here when you get scared enough to stop again. I refuse to use the word "quit" when talking to/about you. It's clear you're not interested in quitting. Enjoy being a slave!

[Kdip]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

You almost sound relieved....life just got too troublesome to just say you won't dip today... What a weak ass excuse. Imagine what the guy went through that made you take a look at this place. Yeah I mean Todd. He was at the end and he knew it. He honored his word to the end. Guess you would have said screw it gimme a dip... Don't come in here again until you take us and your quit seriously. Good luck with whatever process you think you are going to use to get to that day one in the sky... And btw, remember when I said gdub was the salt of the earth? It's because he wouldn't pull some shit stunt like this believe you me bub... Enjoy stuffin your face...

PPM. Look at Docs signature line. What does it say? It says " never again". When you post a Day 1, that's the attitude, resolve, and conviction that you must have to succeed. As in never again despite any consequences of that decision. Its not easy. And there really are consequences to that decision. You may lose friends. You may never get to go places you went before because there are smokers/dippers there. Lots of folks change stores that they used to go to buy their nicotine. Nothing in life can remain that jeopardizes your quit. This works when you have a "never again" resolve. Only then will attempts to quit be successful.

I don't really know why, but this time this really bothers me. Its not my first time to pour out myself and experience here into someone that caved and left. But you Joe, this bothers me. Maybe its because you responded to our loss of Todd/Trauma. Maybe so. Maybe I saw some of my self in you and want you to experience what I have experienced here. Freedom.

You said you were a firefighter. So am I. Professional firefighter for 23 years now. Fires are really not the main part of the job. EMS is. See lots of sick folks. Lots of dead folks. If your reading this I want you to know I was thinking about you last night. Had a call at 3 am. Folks had just got back that evening from vacation in Florida. The man woke his wife up with very loud snoring sounds she said. Probably was agonal respirations. She said he had high blood pressure and was a heavy smoker. Kinda over weight. His wife was in the room with us and maybe a daughter or granddaughter. He was in full arrest. We performed CPR for 35 minutes. It ended in us telling his wife we were sorry for her loss. Today that wife was living her first day without her husband. Today could have been a different day for that woman. If her husband had done years ago what he has known all along that he should do, he would still be here today.

We both give accountability here and agree to receive accountability for one reason. That we may live long healthy lives through the freedom we earn here. I appeal to your senses as a man, a husband, a father, a friend to others, and as a member of your community and church. Who will take your place when you are gone before your time do to this very overcome able addiction? Now is the time to change the outcome of your life.

You need to look very hard at yourself in the mirror is all I can say!!! You basically shit on us and we still welcomed back when you had a "change" in heart an said you really wanted to do whatever it takes to rid your life of that crap. Enjoy that "nice" fat juicy dip.

[Gdubya]

Not sure if this is the place to ask but here goes- I'm on day 50 and feel like hell with tons of anxiety. My doctor suggested Wellbutrin and I picked up my prescription today. Anyone tried this drug? How did it help or not help you? Thanks

I read early on that Wellbutrin was something that could ease the stress/pain of getting free from this addiction. I didn't try it but would have had I thought this wasn't going to go well. I also read to take sleep meds to help get a good night rest. I used Tylenol pm for a pretty good while. It really made a difference. If your up all night having dip dreams or tossing/turning with frustration and anxiety, then that will carry over into your day. Do all that you can do to get a good sleep all night long. PM me if you need digits.

[Gdubya]

Day 5, I'm losing my shit but I know I can't dip anymore
Hopefully I can get get through the next for days and maybe
It will get easier. Any suggestions would help any fake dips to do
Or just eat seeds. Thanks this is a very helpful website

Hey Brotha. Sounds like you are doing things right. Man, Smokey Mountain was my life saver. Being able to stick something in my lip would kinda fake out my body. My mouth felt like it was getting a dip and it would settle down the oral fixation part of this habit/addiction. I also ate tons of ice cream nutty buddies, jerky, taffy, anything and everything. Hang in there bud, it really does get better. PM me for digits if you need them. And you do.

[Gdubya]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

You almost sound relieved....life just got too troublesome to just say you won't dip today... What a weak ass excuse. Imagine what the guy went through that made you take a look at this place. Yeah I mean Todd. He was at the end and he knew it. He honored his word to the end. Guess you would have said screw it gimme a dip... Don't come in here again until you take us and your quit seriously. Good luck with whatever process you think you are going to use to get to that day one in the sky... And btw, remember when I said gdub was the salt of the earth? It's because he wouldn't pull some shit stunt like this believe you me bub... Enjoy stuffin your face...

PPM. Look at Docs signature line. What does it say? It says " never again". When you post a Day 1, that's the attitude, resolve, and conviction that you must have to succeed. As in never again despite any consequences of that decision. Its not easy. And there really are consequences to that decision. You may lose friends. You may never get to go places you went before because there are smokers/dippers there. Lots of folks change stores that they used to go to buy their nicotine. Nothing in life can remain that jeopardizes your quit. This works when you have a "never again" resolve. Only then will attempts to quit be successful.

I don't really know why, but this time this really bothers me. Its not my first time to pour out myself and experience here into someone that caved and left. But you Joe, this bothers me. Maybe its because you responded to our loss of Todd/Trauma. Maybe so. Maybe I saw some of my self in you and want you to experience what I have experienced here. Freedom.

You said you were a firefighter. So am I. Professional firefighter for 23 years now. Fires are really not the main part of the job. EMS is. See lots of sick folks. Lots of dead folks. If your reading this I want you to know I was thinking about you last night. Had a call at 3 am. Folks had just got back that evening from vacation in Florida. The man woke his wife up with very loud snoring sounds she said. Probably was agonal respirations. She said he had high blood pressure and was a heavy smoker. Kinda over weight. His wife was in the room with us and maybe a daughter or granddaughter. He was in full arrest. We performed CPR for 35 minutes. It ended in us telling his wife we were sorry for her loss. Today that wife was living her first day without her husband. Today could have been a different day for that woman. If her husband had done years ago what he has known all along that he should do, he would still be here today.

We both give accountability here and agree to receive accountability for one reason. That we may live long healthy lives through the freedom we earn here. I appeal to your senses as a man, a husband, a father, a friend to others, and as a member of your community and church. Who will take your place when you are gone before your time do to this very overcome able addiction? Now is the time to change the outcome of your life.

[Doc2quit4good]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

You almost sound relieved....life just got too troublesome to just say you won't dip today... What a weak ass excuse. Imagine what the guy went through that made you take a look at this place. Yeah I mean Todd. He was at the end and he knew it. He honored his word to the end. Guess you would have said screw it gimme a dip... Don't come in here again until you take us and your quit seriously. Good luck with whatever process you think you are going to use to get to that day one in the sky... And btw, remember when I said gdub was the salt of the earth? It's because he wouldn't pull some shit stunt like this believe you me bub... Enjoy stuffin your face...

[Backwoods901]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

The only issue that you need to work out is your integrity. You had half of this site bending over backwards to help you and support you and you just flipped every single one of them a bright, bold middle finger.

Is your quit really that much tougher than everyone else's? Are your problems really that much more significant? What makes you think that the stress, anxiety and craving that you're going through is any bit tougher than what everyone on this site has gone through successfully?

The difference is that you allowed yourself an out. You allowed yourself to think that you are somehow special or different. Well, you are not special or different. Your cravings, your stress and your anxiety are exactly what each and every one of us went through, or are currently struggling with. The difference is that we took breaking down off the table and we held true to our word.

You need to look in the mirror and figure out if you are tough enough. It's ok if you aren't, not everyone is. In fact, we need failures around to show an example of what will happen if we ever let our guard down. We need someone to provide mouth cancer pics and tobacco death statistics. That's the path your weakness will lead you down.

BTW, I don't give a buffalo nickle about whatever angry response you might have. I stayed quit today and you caved. The only response you could possibly have that interests me is an answer to your three cave questions, a Day 1 roll post and then sustained success. If you can't do that, then don't bother showing back up here.

typical caver excuses like we all dont have stress to deal with, hell if he wants stress he can hangout with me for a week.

Why dont you man up and quit like the rest of us did and reach out when you need help, because you thought you could do it on your own and figured you didn't need the site. while you are there sitting in your chair sucking on shit in your lip the rest of us will focus on who wants help and is willing to quit without bitching out.

You need to take a long hard look in the mirror and figure out what you want cause after this you will be lucky if anyone wants to help you anymore after so many members tried their damn hardest to help you.

'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger' 'Finger'

[pky1520]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

The only issue that you need to work out is your integrity. You had half of this site bending over backwards to help you and support you and you just flipped every single one of them a bright, bold middle finger.

Is your quit really that much tougher than everyone else's? Are your problems really that much more significant? What makes you think that the stress, anxiety and craving that you're going through is any bit tougher than what everyone on this site has gone through successfully?

The difference is that you allowed yourself an out. You allowed yourself to think that you are somehow special or different. Well, you are not special or different. Your cravings, your stress and your anxiety are exactly what each and every one of us went through, or are currently struggling with. The difference is that we took breaking down off the table and we held true to our word.

You need to look in the mirror and figure out if you are tough enough. It's ok if you aren't, not everyone is. In fact, we need failures around to show an example of what will happen if we ever let our guard down. We need someone to provide mouth cancer pics and tobacco death statistics. That's the path your weakness will lead you down.

BTW, I don't give a buffalo nickle about whatever angry response you might have. I stayed quit today and you caved. The only response you could possibly have that interests me is an answer to your three cave questions, a Day 1 roll post and then sustained success. If you can't do that, then don't bother showing back up here.

[drstober]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.

Start by getting in your group and answering the three questions:
1) What happened?
2) Why did it happen?
3) What are you going to do so it doesn't happen again?

Be honest with yourself and your group. That's the only real way to get back and stay back.

[ProPhotoMan]

I cannot post in roll today as I have fallen of the wagon. My stress level has hit my explosion point and I caved on day 11. I will be working to get off this stuff, and will post roll for day 1 when that happens. I was ready to kill someone yesterday, not literally, but you know what I mean. I don't need text messages chewing me out right now because you might not like my response. Let me work through some issues and I will be posting roll again, I hope.